http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaY8wzwxWTc&feature=related

No wonder US economy is collapsing and so is the US empire That is not good news for those living in America :mad: :eek:

(I replied to someone's about Khorasani unity from my Iranian perspective - maybe Afrasiab has reached some of my conclusions, maybe not, I cannot speak for him. I wont respond or argue so don't waste your time).

The forum has a few vocal anti-Iranian members who do most of the posting, they unleash their pent up frustration on Iranians. Even Unity was doing this at the start with me. Why give them the opportunity to do target practice ? If I don't reply they get their satisfaction from feeling on top, if I reply I become like them involved in silly fights. Better let them shoot at each other.

It is like going to want to join a tribe of cannibals who want to eat you. If you join them, you will soon be eaten, either you fight them, or not, they will still try to drain your energy. It would be foolish to join the cannibals in the first place - let them find someone else to eat.

The Khorasanis of Afghanistan include a lot of ignorant and hateful people. Who wants to unite with such people ? Let them fight each other. They have nothing positive to offer Iran and they hate Iran, so what is the point ?

This forum has been really educational for me. I see how little we in Iran have in common with Afghanistan. I feel better being an Iranian who cares only about Iran and no one else, and would never want to unite with an ignorant and/or hateful bunch just because they speak my language. (I am talking of the majority as I perceive it, not everyone.)

Germany and Austria speak the same language, yet they have been hating each other forever. It is a similar situation. It has to do with Sunni-Shia fights of the past, and the fact that those areas are separated by Kavir from the rest of Iran, were isolated from it, and more linked to Pashtuns, Indians, and Turkic/Mongolian people of Central Asia. People will deny it, and no one side can be blamed, but it is the truth.

Nader Shah Afshar failed eventually, so will all other attempts at unifying the two countries or the Khorasans.

Perhaps in 50 years, things will change, but now is not the time. Religion and ignorance must first be wiped out, then the sunni-shia hatred will become meaningless, and people will become more enlightened, and maybe we can talk of Khorasan unity and unity of all "Iranic" lands.

Anyway, these are the opinions I formed after joining this forum. So joining this forum not only did not help convince me about the Khorasani / Iranic unity, but convinced me that it is a quite pointless and unrealistic endeavour in our lifetime.

Tajiks of Afghanistan must first unite among themselves, that is quite the correct conclusion as pointed out by Superior, Ahhangar and so on. And then get rid of religion which is the source of all conflicts, and move towards spirituality.

No more comments I am a nice guy and I like admins I will not betray them, but you will hear less of me from now on, as Afrasiab. best regards.

No, we don't live under Cyrus, and that is why Iran cannot liberate you - if they wanted and you wanted, neither of which is true - as I mentioned before. I was simply talking about hypothetical scenarios. There is no need for Tajiks to be inside Iran, especially if they don't want it, but if they had been part of Iran in the past, they would have been better off than now.

You would rather liberate yourselves - but have never been successful without outside intervention. Tajikistan was colonized Russia and gained its independence only thanks to Russia creating the republic (without S & N unfortunately) and in the Soviet breakup allowing them to leave - I am just stating facts, not belittling Tajikistan.

Afghanistan is no longer dominated by Taliban tyrants, because the Americans kicked them out. AS Masoud, whom I highly respected, could hold on to Panjshir Valley but not take over entire Afghanistan or even entire Tajiks areas.

It seems that you think you are living under Samanid times.

We have our own history, our own identity and our own aims. We do not trust Iran nor we can trust Iran or do you think we live under Cyrus? Those days are gone and we have formed an own strong nation that could deal with everyone.

Exactly, so don't act like them

.The ones who are emotional, irrational, provocant, criminal, unhuman and dumbasses, it´s the Aughans.

Khorasan is a picture ?

I forgot one more thing: what is the point of endlessly discussing who were the original inhabitants of current Pashtun areas in Afghanistan, if you can't do anything about it. It is fine for academic research, but not something to delve on every day of the week.

Gul Aghaye Aziz,

Unfortunately, no matter how strong our claim may be on historical ground to Khorasan, force rules in this world. American natives can claim all of America for themselves and no one can deny the claim. But who can enforce it ? Can they take it back ? Can Germans take back land lost to Poland in WWII - they can, but they would pay a heavy price again with little benefit. Can Iran take back Khorasan areas in Central Asia and Afghanistan: no, the price would be too heavy, the benefits nonexistent (in fact, it will require huge money to be spent to upgrade those parts even to Iran's second-rate level), and the military and political means inadequate. Russia and USA could not control this country, let alone Iran.

People have been invading, conquering territory, shifting boundaries for millenia, and who can step them ? Someone stronger. That's it.

I dont' see how Tajiks can reclaim lost land in Kandahar or other majority Pashtun areas, since they are a peaceful agricultural people, and besides don't even care, while many of the Pashtuns are fierce and ruthless warriors. The only option would be to have a powerful protector, such as Russia in Ossetia region of Georgia. Americans, Russians, will they help Tajiks reclaim their land and independence ? But they don't even have anyone to talk to ... Ahmad Shah Massoud is gone, and they have no reason to help unless oil is discovered in Northern Afghanistan and you give them military bases, and become friends of Israel and America (that's OK if it achieves the purpose).

Hopefully, Tajiks can keep the areas they have now until a more democratic and better future dawns on Afghanistan. Then perhaps they could act peacefully to get their Khorasan independence. I estimate this could be around 50 years in the future, but maybe sooner, who knows.

In the meantime, you can work to raise awareness and promote solidarity. Like a bear, hibernate until winter is over. Survival is the best that can be done a this time, together with education and economic progress.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7626944.stm

Dear Rostam,

Unfortunately, it seems you are right, since you know your country better.

However, my Iranian friends who meet Tajiks here say that they like Iranians and want to be with them, and even claim to be Iranians (at least one person told me). Maybe because they are outside their country, and few in number, so the only people they have who speak their language are Iranians.

Anyway, I hope in the future we have more good Tajiks like you

Thanks.

Doesnt matter he is being sarcastic or not....he is telling the truth!
All people in Afghanistan are anti-iran....even the motha fucking ignorant Tajiks c.q. Persians.

I am not saying he is right, but at least he is able to debate his point of view more rationally than some of the Tajiks on this forum . That's all. I don't know enough about Afghanistan to judge the accuracy of this statement, but most of the time he talks rationally and humanely, even if his arguments might be wrong. Don't you agree, dear Gul Agha ?

What part of shinno's subjective post is rational? Claiming Pashtuns being immigrants in Khorasan is the truth and has been backed by thousands of sources. If you think I am being emotional by saying this then I challenge you to provide me one source that justifies shinno's claim that the Pashtun homeland has always been kandahar and the south and that the Pashtuns who are in Pakistan went there from southern Khorasan (modern day Afghanistan).

Just one quote of Khushal Khan (Father of Pashtu poetry) proves shinno is wrong

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How unfortunate ! What is the government doing to bring these people into a decent education system so that they can grow up to be decent free-thinking human beings which they deserve to be ? It makes me sad to see not only all the suffering they cause but also that which they themselves endure. You are right about the manipulation part too.

The sad thing is that majority of the pashtun quite proudly say that they chose gun over pen. Little do they realize the power of a pen. These people are warlike in nature and this has been used by many for their own gains. Many tribes are very warlike because they think they have some sort of code of honour and they will go to any lengths to protect it. Many of the laws of this code of honour are outdated and are neither compatible with islam or modern laws.
you are right unless they are educated either with moderate islamic teachings or non religious teachings they will be stuck in their own little worlds while the rest of the civilization moves along.

Something like that They are one of the few non-Turkic nomads left in Iran, but most Bakhtiyaris are now settled. Prime minister of Iran (shortly after revolution) - Shapur Bakhtiar - and Sorayw Esfandiari (wife of Shah) were both Bakhtiryaris. Many of them are very light-skinned even though they live in the south.

Aren´t Bakhtiaris one of the original Persian tribes of Persepolis? Great song and a beautiful culture, similar to that of central Asia/Khorasanzameen.

You are clever and observant

Nader Shah was only being sarcastic. Is it only me who gets his sense of humour:rolleyes:

Dear shinno,

About Azeris, only a small percentage can be traced back to Asian steppes. They are a mixed bunch and during Safavid era, some Shiites/Alevis from Turkey were settled in Azeri regions of Iran. The original inhabitants are related to Kurds, Gilakis, Tats, Talyshis (check original Azeri language which still survivies in some villages) more so than the Persians of Fars, yet they are part of the Iranian family (originally Medes mixed with other original inhabitants like Hurrians, Manneans, Urartu). But yes, they have been turkified, and don't forget the Mongol capitals were near Zanjan (Soltaniyeh) and Tabriz and they also brought some mongols and chinese artisans there. So, everything is mixed up.

About 'Aryans' being nomadic, that was in the past and mostly they settled and worked in agriculture since Zoroaster's time and during Sassanid era. When mongols came and destroyed cities, irrigation canals, so that they can graze their sheep, some reverted back to nomadic life. There are still nomads in Iran (Bakhtiyari is a good example of non-Turkic nomads) but their numbers are small. Reza Shah settled most of them and they are now engaged in agriculture.

Also one must distinguish between nomadism and tribalism of the sort that Pashtuns and Arab bedouins engage in. The Bakhtiyari, Luri, Qashqai nomads are pretty peaceful and tolerant people, unlike the Pashtuns, and are mostly sheep herders who move from mountains in summer to plains in winter. Pashtun tribalism is similar to ancient Judaistic tribalism and Arab bedouin tribalism, with very strict & violently enforced codes of honor, eye-for-an-eye mentality (and some positive aspects as well like hospitality).

Everyone started as nomads, or cavemen, there was no agriculture until 10,000 years ago, so that is not a good argument to bring forward. The question is: are they still nomads, and if so are they civilized nomads or violent tribalistic nomads ?

I hope the Pashtuns change for the better, and you are a good sign of that, but unfortunately it seems that it will take a long time.

 

Should the turkified azeris of iran be sent back to the asian steppes. What is wrong with being a nomad. Afterall the aryan tribes were nomads themselves and your ancestors were nomads and they immigrated into the iranian pleatue so should you be sent back to central asia the original home of the aryans.