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1  General / General Discussion / Re: Marrying your cousin/e on: July 22, 2009, 09:12:13 AM
I think that people marry their cousins (especially in afghanistan) because

a) they know the family, they know the niece of nephew and their qualities and attributes + family ties are kept strong
b) they are in poverty
c) lack of trust to outsiders

Marriages are usually determined by parents and not the to be bride or groom and in the west, this is rarely the case. For the parents, marrying their children off to their cousins is simple and easy whereas it takes time for trust to be built out of thin air if they were to consider an outsider, unless he or she was filthy rich! lol

I myself find that marrying a cousin or a relative for that matter to be awkward and somewhat disgusting and my view isn't determined by the stories of kids turning out disabled. There have been numerous studies conducted on kids who are product of cousins breeding together and results have shown that the chances of the child having a birth defect are only slightly greater than one who is a child of two parents who aren't related.

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An unrelated couple has about a 3 percent to 4 percent risk of having a child with such problems. But for close cousins who are married, that risk jumps only 1.7 percent to 2.8 percent, the study said.

Researcher Robin Bennett said that is lower than many people, including family doctors, believed to be the case.

"The commonsense point of this is that there is a definite risk, but the risk is rather small," said one of the researchers, Dr. Arno G. Motulsky, professor of medicine and genome sciences at the University of Washington.

 - http://www.coej.org/Medical/marrying_cousins_not_risky.htm

2  Creative Zone / Picture Post / Re: Random Pictures on: July 02, 2009, 08:28:23 AM
I wonder how tall Ahmadinejad is...

I think this picture is lovely, Khurasanzad posted it in a thread deleted by you stubborn admins so I'll re-post it

3  General / General Discussion / Re: Why do we write in Arabic alphabets was it imposed on us? on: July 02, 2009, 08:22:21 AM
Adopted and imposed sounds right.
4  Entertainment / Chit Chat and Hangout / Re: Etymology of words on: June 15, 2009, 02:46:52 AM
i think we just say 'microwave' or 'mycroowev' with the accent :)
5  General / General Discussion / Re: Iran's election - fair? on: June 15, 2009, 02:43:23 AM
There have been riots in Tehran following the results, and apparently it was rigged (in Mahmoud's favour).

Ahmadinejad's policies are not the greatest but Iran has become a stronger state, one that is not so dependent on the international community and one that is a regional power.

that aside, Moussavi really came off as a beacon of hope for reformist policies......
6  General / General Discussion / Re: 2009 announced Year of Imam Azam Abu Hanifa in Tajikistan on: June 13, 2009, 09:15:52 PM
The constitution is an illegal document which makes Afghan an illegal term.

no one is forcing this title on you.

Whatever it is, my point was that A. Hanifa was not Afghan.

And I never said he was.


I'm not going to flood this thread all because some people get touchy over a sentence and feel the need to go off topic and call me an idiot all because they had a traumatic childhood  ::)

this is my final response that is off topic. I want to discuss the real issue but i need to get things off of my chest


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Ahhangar:

Up to this point - it was news for you that Abu Hanifa had a background coming from and related to Khurasan - and yet you feel confident enough to brush aside the historically accurate definition of Afghanistan as 'stupid' or 'flimsy'......  reacting like a bitter fool, and suggests a false childish confidence based on ignorance.  Read a few books - academic books - then try to hold a debate - but until then be humble, or you will be burned. I strongly doubt your sincerity.


my sincerity to what? I'd know better than to enter a debate without having knowledge on historical events and as far as i know, history is debateable itself. if you are not open to opinions then don't open threads because it seems that you only accept what you want to hear. I do not come here to seek approval of my thoughts so I will disregard your comment about me being humble. While i do understand the foundation for your description of the *historical* afghanistan, i find it highly extraneous.

When you look at the lives of historical figures a historian will almost always refer to them as coming from what their land was called during the time and this is something i do not dispute but wholeheartedly agree on.


And then you go on to say that this current 'Afghanistan' was founded by a Pashtun....again you fall back on ignorance. Ahmad Shah Abdali never established any such thing called Afghanistan, nor did he impose Pashtun identity....infact he changed his Pashtun tribal name from Abdali to Persian Durrani.... and was fully Persianate. And, most striking of all - he was a fan of attacking the real Afghanistan that I describe....read his book 'Tarikh e Ahmad Shahi'.  He was by no means a Pashtun nationalist...he was not a tribalist.....he was given the title of Shah by Sabour Kabuli.  There is much distortion written about him - designed to justify the ethnocentrism of later years.

his values or culture do not change the fact that he was Pashtun, need i say more?


The appellation, 'Afghanistan', applied to Khurasan falsely, is thanks to the British, done so to wipe out the history of the region and any memoirs of previous orders, and to replace it with a baseless tribal based ignorance that will keep the land divided and weak - easy to attack and influence from the outside.

I agree.

Amanulah was the jerk whom started secular ethno-centrism. Amanulah was illegitimate - brought into power through killing of his own father -in unclear circumstances - but when looks at who benefited in the larger picture  -  it is not difficult to suppose that some of the intrigue involved the British. The so called war of independence - when one studies it closely - sees that it was not more than a very limited action - a staged action - which was designed to give the vain fool Amanulah credibility - and even being given the undeserved title of 'Ghazi', when he did no fighting or killing of the enemy at all.  It is a striking parallel to another event which involved the British and their empire deeply, though not anywhere near as significant, namely Ataturk's supposed saving of Turkey. An event which ushered in the secular republic and abolishing of the caliphate, which had huge implications for Muslims and the middle east. Most of the rubbish you believe regarding Afghanistan, stems from this period.

You do not know of the “rubbish” i believe in, i’ve only posted enough to make an impression on others but not enough for others to comprehend my stance or understanding on anything.

Alleging that Khurasan does not exist anymore - is also false - it does exist - it exists there in the land - in the people - in the language - in the culture - in the inheritance - in the heritage - but it lacks representation and is illegitimately subsumed by the foreign backed artificial and tribal concept of Afghanistan - a concept that feeds of the ignorance of idiots like you - whom have very little knowledge - but lots of attitude.

Way to resort to retorts,  really goes to show how mature you are.  Like i said you only accept what you want to hear, how dare you suggest i give attitude and have “little knowledge.” Pardon me for being realistic and recognising that Khorasan as an entity does not exist anymore. You completely defy your own purpose of promoting tajik culture by spending every minute of your life clobbering anything that goes against your own worldviews. If you and your khorasan zameen brethren keep this up and everything that was once associated with khorasan will cease to exist


I define my own purpose as to increase my own knowledge and to spread knowledge..... and within that many fields are covered... amongst which are the promotion of language, literature, and values....and teaching you about Abu Hanifa.

good for you buddy.

It is wrong to say that Abu Hanifa's background was in Afghanistan - it is a statement which propagates the confusion - the mess in the minds of the people of that land - a kind of vicious stupidity that has accepted a situation which has meant that people like Abu Hanifa have never had any real recognition in the current tribal based Afghanistan - just like Rumi - and many other greats of that land ----- but two bit tribals like Abdul Ghaffar Khan get $70 million of government money spent on his grave in Jallalabad - and historic places like Sabzwar and Fusanj are renamed to wipe away traces of them - one being renamed to Shindand and the other to Zindajan.....even Balkh was renamed temporarily to Wazirabad.

So - never ever associate Abu Hanifa or those other greats with the name of Afghanistan - instead do the right thing - and disassociate the illegitimate name of Afghanistan from the land of Khurasan.  Do not fret about what the international community chooses to call the place.


I do not understand why this is such a big deal for you, I really, really do not. I do not agree with your stance although I do respect it. He has background from modern day Afghanistan and that is all i said. I did not call him an Afghan because that would be wrong.

The more one studies the nonsense that is propagated to give life to the tribal concept of Afghanistan - the more one feels embarrassed.

Okay.


7  Creative Zone / Literature and Art / Re: Foreign vocabulars in Persian language in general and in it´s diff. dialects on: June 13, 2009, 10:05:33 AM
Thank you for the clarification guys.

I have noticed that Iranians generally use Arabic words whilst in Farsi e Dari the word is English in origin. E.g. ''Mohandes'' is Arabic and Iranis use it and we say 'Enginyar'

Also out of curiousity, we might ask "Nom e tu/shoomoh che hast?" and on occasion I have heard 'Esm' being used which is Arabic and mainly used by Iranians. When I see 'nom' I think of the french language lol, so is it just a coincidence... or what?
8  Entertainment / Chit Chat and Hangout / Re: Tajikam.Com is male dominant forum on: June 13, 2009, 09:58:01 AM
Once we had a few female members, but now they have left here.

I wonder why  ::)
9  General / General Discussion / Re: Parents beware of fizzy drinks!!! on: June 13, 2009, 09:54:26 AM
for the most part fizzy drinks severely damage ones teeth over time, so that means you'd have to be consistent in your drinking habit to see the side effects..... it's like vitamin tablets, they do not work unless you take them all the time when required. Drinking too much within a short period of time (let's say, 3 hours) can lead to gastric ulcers which can also be acquired in other ways too.

soda drinks are not deadly if you have a cup once or twice a week and likes pors jaan said, moderation is the key. the number of bottles one has in their home does not necessarily reflect their drinking habits as this author has pointed out. Children may not crave what they've never had but that completely changes when they're an adolescent so all in all the parents' mission to stop their offspring from developing bad eating habits fails. ::)


:o also unity, how can you not like chocolate? i must say that i'm disappointed thats pors likes dark chocolate... ewwwww :p

10  General / General Discussion / Re: 2009 announced Year of Imam Azam Abu Hanifa in Tajikistan on: June 13, 2009, 09:35:40 AM

LOL. You are a child - and the bitter one.  "I do not care for you flimsy definition" lol.  There is no big deal if you care or not -  and  the historically accurate and true definition I give is certainly not flimsy - what is flimsy is you and your pathetic defense of the tribal concept of Afghansitan and its ill application to the land of Khurasan.. 

there is nothing bitter about my tone but I'm guessing you could not think of a witty comeback so you repeated what I said.  You're wrong with your so called 'historical definition.' just cos this is where history describes Pashtuns living doesn't mean their locality can be labeled as Afghanistan - that's stupid.

you are obviously 'bitter' because of the failed concept of Afghanistan but why limit this attitude to one place? all countries are failures in one form or another, and because afghanistan was founded by a pashtun it is quite obvious that they would oppress other ethnic groups and impose their values, lifestyle and so forth on others... any state formation theorist will state that this is what the elitist groups do in all newly formed states.  Khorasan does not exist anymore and this is something you seriously need to accept. you should be more concerned about promoting a language and culture, literature and values rather than spending your whole life bashing others and attempting to revive this romantic idea of a khorasan zameen.


Once again I DID NOT say Abu Hanifah was Afghan, there was no afghanistan back then, and yes he had everything to do with Khorasan. If you read over my post you will clearly see that I said he had background from afghanistan... and unless an overnight miracle or tragedy (since everyone's views differ!) occurred, Kabul is the capital of afghanistan... hence, he has background from afghanistan


11  General / General Discussion / Re: 2009 announced Year of Imam Azam Abu Hanifa in Tajikistan on: June 12, 2009, 06:48:27 AM
Abu Hanifa had nothing to do with Afghanistan. Never call him an Afghan.  Get it right. We have to stop confusing ourselves - and making dumb remarks against the real history of the land.  (Afghanistan proper,  is in western Pakistan - northern parts of Baluchistan - the parts north and east of Quetta - and including Waziristan - centered around a place called 'Takhti Suliman' in he heart of the Sulimani Mountains. It was not even  part of the Islamic world in the time of Abu Hanifa, note the Afghans were recorded to be fighting along side Hindus against Mahmud Ghaznawi, whom came about much later.)

Abu Hanfia had everything to do with Khurasan. His father was from Kabul - and he spoke the Persian language along side Arabic. He called for the justification of the using other languages in Islam - especially Persian. He and ABU Muslim Khurasani were key players - along with Barmakians of Balkh - all from Khurasan - in the revolution of Khurasan and the creation of the Abbasid Caliphate - though they were all late executed/assassinated by the treacherous Arab house of Abbas.





I do not care for your flimsy definition of afghanistan as being identical to pashtunistan. a pashtun or baloch from pakistan is not afghan in my view, and yes my definition of an afghan refers to anyone who comes from present day afghanistan, a definition that MOST PEOPLE agree upon. whether you wish to call yourself afghan or not is not a big deal, if you prefer Afghanistani than go for it... but you knew exactly what i meant and i bet you saw this as an opportunity to attack me. that said, i did not say he was afghan anyway.  ::) His background can be traced to the modern day state called Afghanistan. you sound bitter, as though you are in denial but i'm sure even you know that you can't bring back history.

I will respond to the second part of your post later.
12  Creative Zone / Literature and Art / Re: Foreign vocabulars in Persian language in general and in it´s diff. dialects on: June 12, 2009, 04:57:23 AM
What are the origins or the word 'desterkhwan'? Is it Pashto? I know the Irani equivalent is Soofrah but i heard both words used by Afghans


13  General / General Discussion / Re: 2009 announced Year of Imam Azam Abu Hanifa in Tajikistan on: June 12, 2009, 04:51:59 AM
Wow, I wasn't aware that Hanifah had background from afghanistan - this is something to be proud of! 
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It will aide the efforts to keep the people of Tajikistan from suffering the way people Afghanistan suffered through the exploitation of religion by blood thirsty CIA and Oil companies

What do you mean by this Ahhangar bro?

And a question to those from Tajikistan: how important is religion in influencing how society operates? Has Tajikistan become more familiar with Islam after the collapse of the Soviet Union?

14  Tajikam Community / Members Zone / Re: New Member From Orange County on: June 12, 2009, 04:41:16 AM
that's fantastic, and I admire your dedication! learning a language is always fulfilling and rewarding :)
15  General / General Discussion / Re: Cartoon Films on: June 12, 2009, 04:37:11 AM
Awwwww, you have a son!
I personally feel that if you and your wife always converse in farsi at home your son will learn. I was born and raised in an english speaking country and although i do not remember how, i learnt to speak both languages simultaneously (so don't worry so much, it all comes down to exposure).

in regards to the cartoons, have you tried searching for them on YouTube? you can download them with the YouTube downloader :)


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