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1  General / General Discussion / Re: 2009 announced Year of Imam Azam Abu Hanifa in Tajikistan on: June 16, 2009, 05:12:37 PM
Lindt,

Showing that Ahmad Shah Durrani was not a Pashtun nationalist - he was Persianate in almost every measure - does matter, it matters much more than his ethnicity. One can talk of Mahmud e Ghaznawi - whom was also an ethnic Turk - but fully Persianate. The idea that he was a ethnic turk being overtly important - and being the one thing that overrode everything else is clearly baseless - and this is also true to a similar extent regarding Ahmad Shah Durrani.   Pashtun nationalist of the modern era have created myths about him - and is it not strange that the one book that is most authoritative about Durrani is never promoted y the Pashtunist government of Kabul ?  Why would that be - unless - the contents of that book - which were the truth - did not correlate with the image they themselves wanted to create - in order to justify their policies and existence.  They even created that story of legitimizing a ruler through Loya Jirga is a tradition which tarted with Durrani - when in fact it was tarted with Amanulah.

Durrani, was a Persianate Shah, to the point of changing his Pashtu name of Abdali to Persian Durrani,  of Khurasan.  He - like many other before him - could only hold position in that land by accepting the Persianate Hanafi order.

The historical Afghanistan is by no means extraneous - it is shown as such in every historical work dealing with the subject. This is facts - read correctly - not a future worldview.

Khurasan is subsumed by the illegitimate tribal concept of Afghanistan - in this Kuffar made world order - but it is still there in the people and culture and everything else - which is misrepresented as Afghan.  In reality the entity of Afghanistan is just that - in name - one can say that it really does not exist - it is just a pretend - for the benefit of the kuffar.

Your sincerity is in question because you are determined to twist everything back to Pashtunist world view - and to keep the idea that this land is Afghanistan - without any real justification - without really acknowledging the damage the concept of Afghanistan has done to Khurasan and its people.

Lindt - you should know that the concept of Afghanistan is an idol for ignorants/tribal bandits - and it is hard for them to be weened off it - eventually revolutionaries will arise whom will resort to the giving out the punishments deemed correct in the Quran for idol worshipers - that of death.

Ahhangar
2  General / General Discussion / Re: 2009 announced Year of Imam Azam Abu Hanifa in Tajikistan on: June 13, 2009, 10:46:47 AM
Up to this point - it was news for you that Abu Hanifa had a background coming from and related to Khurasan - and yet you feel confident enough to brush aside the historically accurate definition of Afghanistan as 'stupid' or 'flimsy'......  reacting like a bitter fool, and suggests a false childish confidence based on ignorance.  Read a few books - academic books - then try to hold a debate - but until then be humble, or you will be burned. I strongly doubt your sincerity.

And then you go on to say that this current 'Afghanistan' was founded by a Pashtun....again you fall back on ignorance. Ahmad Shah Abdali never established any such thing called Afghanistan, nor did he impose Pashtun identity....infact he changed his Pashtun tribal name from Abdali to Persian Durrani.... and was fully Persianate. And, most striking of all - he was a fan of attacking the real Afghanistan that I describe....read his book 'Tarikh e Ahmad Shahi'.  He was by no means a Pashtun nationalist...he was not a tribalist.....he was given the title of Shah by Sabour Kabuli.  There is much distortion written about him - designed to justify the ethnocentrism of later years.

The appellation, 'Afghanistan', applied to Khurasan falsely, is thanks to the British, done so to wipe out the history of the region and any memoirs of previous orders, and to replace it with a baseless tribal based ignorance that will keep the land divided and weak - easy to attack and influence from the outside.   Amanulah was the jerk whom started secular ethno-centrism. Amanulah was illegitimate - brought into power through killing of his own father -in unclear circumstances - but when looks at who benefited in the larger picture  -  it is not difficult to suppose that some of the intrigue involved the British. The so called war of independence - when one studies it closely - sees that it was not more than a very limited action - a staged action - which was designed to give the vain fool Amanulah credibility - and even being given the undeserved title of 'Ghazi', when he did no fighting or killing of the enemy at all.  It is a striking parallel to another event which involved the British and their empire deeply, though not anywhere near as significant, namely Ataturk's supposed saving of Turkey. An event which ushered in the secular republic and abolishing of the caliphate, which had huge implications for Muslims and the middle east. Most of the rubbish you believe regarding Afghanistan, stems from this period.

Alleging that Khurasan does not exist anymore - is also false - it does exist - it exists there in the land - in the people - in the language - in the culture - in the inheritance - in the heritage - but it lacks representation and is illegitimately subsumed by the foreign backed artificial and tribal concept of Afghanistan - a concept that feeds of the ignorance of idiots like you - whom have very little knowledge - but lots of attitude.   

I define my own purpose as to increase my own knowledge and to spread knowledge..... and within that many fields are covered... amongst which are the promotion of language, literature, and values....and teaching you about Abu Hanifa.

It is wrong to say that Abu Hanifa's background was in Afghanistan - it is a statement which propagates the confusion - the mess in the minds of the people of that land - a kind of vicious stupidity that has accepted a situation which has meant that people like Abu Hanifa have never had any real recognition in the current tribal based Afghanistan - just like Rumi - and many other greats of that land ----- but two bit tribals like Abdul Ghaffar Khan get $70 million of government money spent on his grave in Jallalabad - and historic places like Sabzwar and Fusanj are renamed to wipe away traces of them - one being renamed to Shindand and the other to Zindajan.....even Balkh was renamed temporarily to Wazirabad. 

So - never ever associate Abu Hanifa or those other greats with the name of Afghanistan - instead do the right thing - and disassociate the illegitimate name of Afghanistan from the land of Khurasan.  Do not fret about what the international community chooses to call the place. 

The more one studies the nonsense that is propagated to give life to the tribal concept of Afghanistan - the more one feels embarrassed.

For instance - the town of Chagha Sarai was named to Asadabad in the later half of the 20th century - and yet it does not occur to people how absurd it is to claim Jamuladin Asadabadi Afghani as being from Afghanistan on the justification that he was born in the Asadabad of Kunar of Afghanistan.   This is how shameless the propagators of the false concept of Afghanistan are - and you too want to be associated with that ?

The light of knowledge will wipe away these false and vicious creations - and the worshipers of that ignorance.


Ahhangar


Anyhow - what of the views regarding political Islam and US ambitions in the region.....
3  General / General Discussion / Re: 2009 announced Year of Imam Azam Abu Hanifa in Tajikistan on: June 12, 2009, 05:58:53 PM
This is published on the same day as the previous article.  It would not be surprising to see in a few days time more propaganda against Tajikistan and an increase of Taliban presence in the areas near the Tajikistan border.

June 12,

Threat Of Taliban Incursion Raised In Central Asia -- Again

by Farangis Najibullah

As Pakistan continues large-scale military operations against Taliban militants in the country's northwest and the United States ratchets up its troop presence in Afghanistan, a recent comment by Kyrgyz President Kurmanbek Bakiev captured in a nutshell the speculation these efforts are causing in Central Asia.

Speaking on June 8, Bakiev warned of the encroachment of Taliban militants.

After noting the "seriousness" of the situation in both Pakistan and Afghanistan Bakiev asked, "If the conflict against the Taliban further deepens in Afghanistan, then toward which direction would they escape? God save us, but they would move toward Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, and Uzbekistan."

Kyrgyzstan has recently increased security measures along its frontiers with Uzbekistan and Tajikistan -- through which militants from Afghanistan would presumably have to travel -- by stationing additional troops in border areas.

Regional Concerns

But the Kyrgyz president is not alone among Central Asian leaders in pointing to growing security threats allegedly coming from the south.

Uzbekistan has started digging trenches alongside its borders with Kyrgyzstan, with the stated aim of preventing religious extremists from penetrating its territory.

Uzbekistan has repeatedly claimed that any militant infiltrating into Uzbek territory would cross its border through Tajikistan.

But while Tajikistan has vehemently rejected the possibility of the Taliban ever seeking safe haven on its territory, a legacy of Tajiks' support for Afghanistan's ethnic-Tajik mujahedin, a recent antidrug operation in eastern Tajikistan fueled public fears of a crackdown on Islamic strongmen.

Meanwhile, the Russian-dominated Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) has discussed creating a rapid-reaction force to counter the threat of militants entering the region from Afghanistan.

Many analysts, however, see fear mongering behind the increased talk of security, and say the prospects of the Taliban moving into Central Asia is minimal, if not unrealistic.

Much of the security-risk argument depends on lumping the Taliban with other militants, including those originating in Central Asia, who are believed to have found sanctuary in Pakistan with the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, and others.

Their exact number is unknown, with different sources giving vastly different estimates ranging from the hundreds to the thousands.

IMU Threat, Real Or Imagined?

Among them are followers of a key adversary of governments in Central Asia -- the banned extremist group Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU). IMU fighters reportedly fled to Afghanistan in the 1990s and fought alongside Al-Qaeda when U.S.-led coalition forces entered the country in 2001.

Some IMU fighters were reportedly killed in the fighting, and after the Taliban regime was ousted, others were believed to have fled to Pakistan's tribal areas, where the Taliban also regrouped.

Since then, the IMU has remained largely inactive, although officials in Central Asia have from time to time linked various terrorist acts to IMU followers or its alleged splinter groups.

Considering that the backing of the local population was a key factor in the Taliban's survival in Afghanistan and Pakistan's tribal areas, it is unlikely that the predominantly ethnic-Pashtun Taliban would find sympathy among locals in Central Asia.

In Tajikistan, specifically, both the government and public opinion were widely supportive of Afghanistan's ethnic-Tajik mujahedin in the war against the Taliban. Al-Qaeda's assassination of ethnic-Tajik military commander Ahmad Shah Mas'ud the day before on September 9, 2001, also remains fresh on the minds of Tajiks.

Aleksei Malashenko, an expert at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Moscow, says Kyrgyzstan's Bakiev and other regional leaders exaggerate security risks to pursue their own agendas.

"It's a complex double game played by Central Asian leaders," Malashenko says. "Bakiev reckons that Taliban dangers could serve as a pretext to tighten the screws inside Kyrgyzstan. When there is a threat coming from outside, people usually consolidate around the government."

Manas Connection

Malashenko says Bakiev could be playing both sides of the fence between Russia and the United States. He also suggests that the Kyrgyz leader may be seeking to use the alleged Taliban threat as an excuse to renew the U.S. lease of an air base used as an air bridge for operations in Afghanistan.

Earlier this year, the Kyrgyz government gave the United States six months to leave the Manas base outside Bishkek. Bakiev made the announcement during a trip to Moscow in February, citing financial reasons as a key factor.

During the same trip, Bakiev secured a package of Russian loans and investment worth some $2 billion, prompting speculation that Moscow was behind Bishkek's decision to close down the U.S. base.

Afterward, there were reports of Bishkek allegedly having second thoughts about closing down Manas, and of the United States trying to renegotiate financial terms of the lease.

Adding to speculation that discussion on the matter is not dead was the announcement by Bakiev's office on June 11 that U.S. President Barack Obama had sent a personal message to Bakiev thanking Kyrgyzstan for its support of the U.S.-led military operation in Afghanistan.

The United States is also reportedly planning to send a high-level delegation to Bishkek to discuss further cooperation.

Kyrgyz officials, however, have denied the reports, saying their decision on Manas is not reversible.

However, the latest developments also follow on Bakiev's announcement earlier this week that Afghan President Hamid Karzai had asked him to keep Manas open. Bakiev suggested the issue should be discussed during the Shanghai Cooperation Organization summit that opens next week.

In highlighting the Taliban threat on June 8, Bakiev also said member states of the Collective Security Treaty Organization, the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, and the Commonwealth of Independent States should discuss such issues as well.

Homegrown Taliban?

But Miroslav Niyazov, the former secretary of Kyrgyzstan's Security Council, says that if there is any threat that involves extremism, it would come from inside Kyrgyzstan itself.

Niyazov says Kyrgyzstan ranks last in "all social and economic measurements" among the former Soviet states, and that people in the country also lack confidence in government institutions because they don't appear to work in the public interest. He says this generates public frustration and sympathy for "any radical movement."

At the same time, Niyazov insists that threats coming from Afghanistan cannot be underestimated. Although it is a "bit premature" to say there is a direct danger posed to Central Asia by the Taliban, Afghanistan "still remains a source of extremism and drug trafficking for our countries," he says.

Echoing the general public's feelings in the region, Niyazov believes that as long as peace and stability is not restored in Afghanistan, it will always -- one way or the other -- pose a threat to Central Asian stability.
4  General / General Discussion / Re: 2009 announced Year of Imam Azam Abu Hanifa in Tajikistan on: June 12, 2009, 05:56:28 PM
Check this out -  another publication against the government of Tajikistan.  I wonder why the US has chosen to use this Danish-Norwegian based organisation to promote its propaganda. The organisation has next to nothing on the religious oppression of US puppet regime of Karzai - like the imprisonment of Parwiz Kambakhsh and several other prominent cases in Afghanistan - but it has much on Tajikistan - it is obsessed with Tajikistan.  They are a clear and obvious publication of the US-British interests.

 Jammat e Tabligh are a tool of US imperialism - like Taliban running dogs. 


This article was published by F18News on: 12 June 2009

TAJIKISTAN: Muslims and Protestants are the latest official targets

By Mushfig Bayram, Forum 18 News Service <http://www.forum18.org>

After Tajikistan's adoption of a restrictive new Religion Law the Muslim community appears to be the main target of official hostility, Forum 18 News Service has found. Officials have told Forum 18 the NSM secret police is preparing the so-far unspecified charges against 93 members of the Jamaat Tabligh Islamic movement, who were detained by the authorities in April and May. Tajikistan State University has expelled "up to four" Muslim students for wearing the hijab. The Vice-Rector claimed to Forum 18 that they were expelled "not because of religion but because the university had a dress code." Meanwhile attacks on the property of religious communities continue, with the Protestant Grace Sunmin Church in the capital Dushanbe having lost its legal battle to stop the authorities evicting it from its own church building. The Church has been given a deadline of 1 July to leave its building.

Female students who want to wear headscarves in university or school, followers of the Jamaat Tabligh Islamic movement and the Protestant Grace Sunmin church in the capital Dushanbe are among the latest victims of the government crackdown on freedom of religion or belief, Forum 18 News Service notes. Up to four female students of Tajikistan State University in Dushanbe were expelled for wearing the hijab – an Islamic headscarf for women - to lectures. Prosecution of some 93 followers of the Jamaat Tabligh movement arrested in April and May continues. The press officer of the National Security Ministry (NSM) secret police, who did not give his name, refused to tell Forum 18 on 9 June how long the investigation of the detained followers would last and when any trials might take place. And Grace Sunmin church has lost its battle in the courts to retain its building and has been given a final deadline of 1 July to vacate it.

In the wake of the expulsion of the female students from Tajikistan State University for wearing the hijab, officials from the University and Education Ministry and the Presidential Administration have given conflicting remarks whether or not wearing hijab to universities is banned. Meanwhile some parents do not send their daughters to school because girls are not allowed to attend classes in hijab.

Hijab-wearing students barred from educational institutions

Latofat Nazirova, the State University's Vice-Rector responsible for educational and disciplinary matters, said the University expelled "up to four students this year" for wearing hijabs. "I do not remember the names of the students or what grade they were in," she told Forum 18 on 8 June from Dushanbe.

About the reasons of the expulsions, Nazirova said, it was "not because of religion but because the university had a dress code," according to which female students are not allowed to wear "totally black or dark apparels, and those that would tightly cover them." Asked whether the expelled students could be restored to the University, Nazirova responded: "They could if they gave up wearing hijabs."

Among those who said they had been expelled from the State University this year was Gulnora Bobonazarova, Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty's Tajik Service reported on 26 May. She was quoted as saying that "the university administration did not admit her to the exams because she wore a hijab."

However, Nazirova claimed to Forum 18 that Bobonazarova, who she said is in her last year of university, was admitted to the final exams recently. "I had the order for her expulsion also but did not sign it when I found out she was about to graduate and was a diligent student," Nazirova claimed to Forum 18. She also claimed that Bobonazarova should be able to receive her diploma in September.

Forum 18 was unable to independently verify Vice-Rector Nazirova's claims about Bobonazarova between 8 and 11 June.

In 2007, another student of the State University Davlatmoh Ismoilova had challenged in the court the ban on wearing hijabs. However, she lost the case, and did not return to the University, reports RFE/RL.

Schoolgirls are also not allowed to wear hijabs to classes, as Hikmatullo Saifullozoda of the officially registered Islamic Revival Party complains. "I know of many friends and acquaintances that do not send their daughters to schools because of this," he told Forum 18 on 11 June.

Dushanbe resident Makhmadjon Muhammadnuri told Forum 18 his eight-year-old daughter does attend any school because "it is against his convictions" for his daughter to attend classes without a hijab. He told Forum 18 on 11 June that he knew "the state secondary schools would not accept" his daughter in hijab and therefore he tried to place her in a private school, Sarparast, in 2008. "But they turned us down because of the hijab," he said. Muhammadnuri told Forum 18 that he knew of other parents who also would not send their daughters to school, because they were banned from wearing the hijab.

Forum 18 was unable to reach the Sarparast school.

Schoolgirls wearing hijabs in northern Tajikistan have in the past been barred from receiving school leaving certificates (see F18News 7 March 2006 http://www.forum18.org/Archive.php?article_id=739).

Why is the hijab banned in university and school?

Claiming to Forum 18 on 8 June that there is a ban on wearing hijab in the education institutions, signed by Tajikistan's President Emomali Rahmon and the Education Minister, was an employee of the State University's Admissions Department, who did not give her name.

Forum 18 was unable to reach Abdulfatoh Sharipov, the Head of the President's Press Service, on 9 and 10 June. However, two different officials of the Press Service, neither of whom gave their names, insisted to Forum 18 that President Rahmon had not signed any ban on wearing the hijab. Both of them refused to comment on the claims of the official ban on the hijab and the expulsions of the students. "The ban comes from the Education Ministry," one Press Service official told Forum 18 on 10 June.

Jaloliddin Amirov, an official of the Education Ministry, denied to Forum 18 there was a "ban". He said there were merely two decisions of the Board of the Education Ministry from 3 July 2007, No.14/2 and No.14/3, which instruct students of higher education institutions and schoolchildren respectively to wear uniforms to universities and schools. "With the decision we have also provided universities and schools with photographs of up to six different models of uniform," Amirov told Forum 18 on 10 June. "So obviously when women wear a hijab to the university, they violate the dress code."

Hikmatullo Saifullozoda of the Islamic Revival Party argued that the Education Ministry instructions were "specifically against" Islamic religious apparel. "The dress models given by the Ministry include traditional Tajik head-scarves for female students provided the neck must not be covered, but the hijab covers the neck," Saifullozoda explained to Forum 18. "I am sure the women were against showing their necks according to their religious convictions, and therefore insisted on wearing hijab to classes."

Asked if all students followed the Education Ministry's dress code instructions, Amirov of the Education Ministry responded: "I would say 90 percent of the students do." He said there are those who "sometimes break the rules and come to classes in casual dress like jeans but they get warned immediately." Asked whether students who insisted on wearing casual dress to classes could also be expelled, Amirov asked, "Why should we expel students for that?" Amirov evaded the question why the State University expelled students for wearing hijabs. "I am not aware of that," he responded.

Tajikistan's Council of Ulems (Islamic scholars), which replaced the former Muftiate or Spiritual Board of Muslims, refused to comment to Forum 18 on 9 June on the expulsion of students or the ban on hijab. Haji Nigmatullo Olimov, Deputy Chairman of the Council, referred Forum 18 to the Islamic University of Tajikistan. The phones at the University went unanswered between 9 and 11 June.

The Council of Ulems has in the past supported the authorities actions in penalising Muslim schoolgirls for wearing the hijabs (see F18News 8 June 2006 http://www.forum18.org/Archive.php?article_id=796). It has also supported government actions more recently (see F18News 17 December 2008 http://www.forum18.org/Archive.php?article_id=1230).

Prosecution of Jamaat Tabligh members continues

Although Tajikistan's General Prosecutor's Office had earlier told Forum 18 that it was about to bring charges against the arrested Jamaat Tabligh members, officials there and at the NSM secret police made it clear that it is the NSM secret police which is now leading the prosecution.

Dushanbe City Division of the NSM secret police is leading the case of the arrested Jamaat Tabligh members, according to Sobirjon Isoboyev, Senior Official of the General Prosecutor's Office. "The Ministry of National Security is preparing charges against them," he told Forum 18 on 9 June. Isoboyev said he did not know how many Jamaat Tabligh members are being prosecuted.

One Jamaat Tabligh member had given Forum 18 the number of those arrested at 93, but officials had claimed that the number was much smaller. However, the officials refused to state who is being held or why. Officials claimed the movement was banned in Tajikistan in 2006, but a Supreme Court official and civil society sources told Forum 18 that they were unaware of the ban (see F18News 15 May 2009 http://www.forum18.org/Archive.php?article_id=1297).

The NSM secret police's Press Officer told Forum that he could not say anything on the case. "I have not received any information on the case yet," he stated. Asked when NSM would announce the results of the investigation, he said he did not know and hung up the phone.

The Supreme Court banned the Salafi school of Islamic thought in January 2009 (see F18News 23 January 2009 http://www.forum18.org/Archive.php?article_id=1243). The ban came into effect on 9 February.

Isoboyev could not say what exactly the members of Jamaat Tabligh or the banned Muslim Salafi movement had violated. Isoboyev also said he does not know of any prosecution of Salafi members since they were banned.

Tightening controls over religious activity and loss of places of worship

The last few years have seen increasing official controls on religious activity. Jehovah's Witnesses still cannot officially meet for worship in Tajikistan, following an October 2007 ban on their activity. Two Protestant communities in Dushanbe also faced "temporary" bans. Abundant Life Christian Centre closed down in the wake of the ban, while the other - Ehyo Church - was officially able to resume its activity in late 2008 (see F18News 20 January 2009 http://www.forum18.org/Archive.php?article_id=1242).

Religious communities have little security that they can retain their own places of worship. As well as Dushanbe's Grace Sunmin church, many mosques or Muslim prayer halls, the country's only synagogue and Protestant churches have been closed, bulldozed or threatened with confiscation. The Jewish community received no compensation for its synagogue bulldozed in Dushanbe in June 2008. Although the state did not compensate the Jewish community for demolishing the synagogue, a private businessman (and a brother-in-law of President Rahmon) provided the Jewish community with an alternative building in March 2009 (see F18News 26 March 2009 http://www.forum18.org/Archive.php?article_id=1274).

Grace Sunmin church members told Forum 18 on 12 June that the church's final appeal to the High Economic Court of Tajikistan to restore their property rights yielded no results. On 11 June the High Court upheld the previous court decisions to strip the church's property rights. The church has been given the final deadline of 1 July to vacate the building (see forthcoming F18 News article).

Meanwhile the recently adopted new Religion Law has made its impact on the Muslim community. Although a number of religious communities – among them Baha'is and Protestant Christians - told Forum 18 that there have been no new raids or checkups since the new law, the Islamic Revival Party's Saifullozoda claimed that the authorities already watch the funeral ceremonies and weddings so there is no unauthorised preaching. "According to the New Law, preaching from Koran may only take place in Cathedral mosques," he stated (see forthcoming F18 News article).

Tajikistan's government has made contradictory statements about whether or not the new Law will be changed. President Rahmon has stated that it "will not be changed" as it is "well-defined and clear". However, Mavlon Mukhtarov, the Deputy Ministry of Culture, has told Forum 18 that the Law is "not a dogma" and may change. Muslim, Christian and Baha'i religious communities have complained to Forum 18 that, since 2006, almost no religious organisations have been given state registration, the head of the Culture Ministry's Religious Affairs Department confirming that "only" new non-Muslim religious organisations were denied registration since 2006 (see F18News 8 May 2009 http://www.forum18.org/Archive.php?article_id=1292). (END)

More coverage of freedom of thought, conscience and belief in Tajikistan is at http://www.forum18.org/Archive.php?query=&religion=all&country=31.
5  General / General Discussion / Re: 2009 announced Year of Imam Azam Abu Hanifa in Tajikistan on: June 12, 2009, 07:36:14 AM
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I do not care for your flimsy definition of afghanistan as being identical to pashtunistan. a pashtun or baloch from pakistan is not afghan in my view, and yes my definition of an afghan refers to anyone who comes from present day afghanistan, a definition that MOST PEOPLE agree upon. whether you wish to call yourself afghan or not is not a big deal, if you prefer Afghanistani than go for it... but you knew exactly what i meant and i bet you saw this as an opportunity to attack me. that said, i did not say he was afghan anyway.  ::) His background can be traced to the modern day state called Afghanistan. you sound bitter, as though you are in denial but i'm sure even you know that you can't bring back history.

I will respond to the second part of your post later.

LOL. You are a child - and the bitter one.  "I do not care for you flimsy definition" lol.  There is no big deal if you care or not -  and  the historically accurate and true definition I give is certainly not flimsy - what is flimsy is you and your pathetic defense of the tribal concept of Afghansitan and its ill application to the land of Khurasan..


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Wow, I wasn't aware that Hanifah had background from afghanistan - this is something to be proud of! 

If you want to qualify it with

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  ::) His background can be traced to the modern day state called Afghanistan


That is fine. 

You just need to emphasize a bit more that todays Afghanistan is actually Khurasan and  not the real historical Afghanistan, that Afghanistan which real AFGHANS - in their own definition - obsess about..

Ahhangar

6  General / General Discussion / Hekmatyar CIA MEGA OIL Azerbayjan Karabagh on: June 12, 2009, 07:04:37 AM
from http://www.16beavergroup.org/mtarchive/archives/000301.php

..................LAST GASP FOR KARABAKH

LIKE MANY AFGHANS, Abdullah only uses his first name. Thankfully, there
aren't very many people named "Abdullah" in Tbilisi's underground to
confuse him with.

Abdullah was 16 years old in 1986, when he fled his village along
Afghanistan's eastern border for Pakistani city of Peshawar. Tens of
thousands of other Afghan refugees live in Peshawar, and the city was
the nerve center for the American campaign of support for the Mujahedin
during the Afghan War.

Once crawling with intelligence agents dispensing thick stacks of rupees
and RPGs, in the 1990s the spooks left, but Peshawar continued to be the
world's greatest illegal arms bazaar and a recruiting ground for
Soldiers of God fighting in conflicts around the world.

Abdullah was selling fruit in his neighbour's stall in Peshawar when he
met a slender, bespectacled American who offered him two thousand
dollars to fight in Karabakh. Upon arriving in Azerbaijan, the agent,
Abdullah found out, worked for Gary Best.

In September of 1992, Azerbaijan's new Popular Front officials in the
Defense Ministry called up thousands of young Azeris for military
service. The army's aging officer corps was not entirely pleased. The
Armenians had by now drilled themselves into the Karabakh hills like
ticks, and the top brass reiterated that throwing untrainted conscripts
at their positions en masse would be suicide (after all, it hadn't
worked up until now). Once again they pressed the ministry to outfit and
train a crack cadre of special forces that wouldn't bristle at the
Armenian advantage.

Best's mysterious international connections once again worked to his
advantage. Abdullah was one of an estimated 2,000 Afghan mercenaries
hired by MEGA Oil to wear Azeri uniforms and face the Armenians head on.
(The Afghans were split between separate parts of the country; Abdullah
himself claims to have trained with 200 of his fellow countrymen.)

It's difficult to house a few thousand foreign soldiers and keep it
quiet, especially in a country as small as Azerbaijan. Abdullah tells us
that he and his compatriots were never permitted to leave the base. As
the recruits' identity papers had been confiscated upon their arrival in
the country, they had no doubt that any attempt to desert would result
in their arrest as illegal migrants - their American handlers had
several times threatened to do just that in disciplinary proceedings. In
spite of his precautions, Gary
Best's Afghan enterprise was soon common knowledge all over the
Caucasus, even in Armenia and Karabakh, though no one had yet collected
enough evidence to substantiate it.

MEGA Oil's Karabakh adventure was the first time that Afghans fought
inside the boundaries of the former Soviet Union. In later years, they
would flock to Tajikistan and Chechnya in aid of embattled Muslim
rebels, hijacking what were more or less independence struggles for
their own war to further the reach of fundamentalist Islam. Importing
hardcore Mujahedin could have been disastrous for Azerbaijan as well.
For a variety of reasons, it wasn't.

Elchibey's government wanted experienced soldiers - the mujahids who
have put the fear of a fire-breathing Allah into Christians and
Communists on four continents. But most of the Afghans hired by MEGA Oil
were like Abdullah: poor refugees whose only connection to war had been
their flight from it (something they shared with a great many Azeris).
Very few of the
Afghans, according to Abdullah, had any fighting experience whatsoever.
Best had bought Afghan refugees for pennies, and sold them as million
dollar Afghan Mujahedin.

According to Abdullah, and confirmed by people involved in the project
interviewed by Thomas Goltz in the mid-1990s, the "well-armed" part of
MEGA Oil's Afghan enterprise wasn't quite accurate, either. Much of
Azerbaijan's heavy weaponry had been lost in Karabakh during the
previous winter's Armenian counter-attack. Goltz even alleged that many
of the Afghans given
RPGs and anti-armour weapons watched in horror as their rounds bounced
harmlessly from Armenian positions. They had been firing practice
rounds, remarked and sold at discount prices as live ammunition.

In addition to Afghans like Abdullah, Best imported in several dozen
American veterans to replenish those who had walked away in disgust
after Best, Aderholt and Secord's original plans had been shelved with
the fall of Mutalibov. According to Goltz, many of the "legitimate"
American mercenaries scoffed at the new meat Best brought in as "the
type of psychos who answer ads in magazines." Abdullah remembers things
differently - all of the Americans, he claims, were arrogant sadists and
willing collaborators in the scheme. Even worse were some of the Turkish
"advisors" - some allegedly members of the fascist Grey Wolves movement
- that the Turkophile Elchibey had added to the project, one of whom
shot an Afghan recruit in a brawl. Training was hard, and the Afghans
were given spoiled food and hand-me-down uniforms mended with patches.

The winter offensive began in December. The Popular Front began a
massive program of agitation among the Azeri population, with one of
Elchibey's advisors threatening to launch nuclear warheads into Karabakh
to teach the Armenians a lesson. It soon became clear that the offensive
was a complete failure. Thousands of Azeris were killed, and in another
counter-attack, the
Armenians for the first time occupied Azeri territory outside of
Karabakh itself. People that Goltz spoke to blamed Azerbaijan's military
brass for using the "elite troops" that Best had acquired as "cannon
fodder." Abdullah has a different explanation.

"When the shooting started, we were surrounded, and we ran," he says.
Though miles away in Tbilisi, one gets the impression that the battle
for Abdullah is just over the next hill. He fidgets and runs a hand
through his thick black hair.

"You must understand that most of us had only fired a gun a few times,
never an automatic weapon. Only a few of us had fought before, and when
we looked to [these] people to lead us, they were unable to communicate
with the Azeris. We didn't speak the language and nobody spoke ours. The
orders were to advance at any cost, but it was clear that the people who
issued these orders did not know what we were fighting. We looked at the
maps. Were we in the wrong place? No, but they gave us maps from forty
years ago! The village at the top of a hill was burned to the ground.
The Armenians were in it and
they were shooting down at us. But according to the map, there was no
village at all!"

The Azeri regular forces fared no better. An element of farce permeated
the sackings and dismissals as the Elchibey government searched for a
scapegoat to blame for the latest Azeri military disaster. The closest
thing the Azeris had to a war hero, Colonel Surat Husseinov, decided to
spare his troops the pleasure of hurling the lifeless bodies of their
comrades at
Armenian machine gun nests and withdrew of his own accord from
Kelbadzhar. The Armenians swooped down in their wake. While gaining
thousands of new refugees from the area, Azerbaijan had lost one of its
last pieces of Karabakh. Essentially, the Karabakh War was over.
7  General / General Discussion / Oil barons court Taliban in Texas on: June 12, 2009, 06:46:51 AM
Oil barons court Taliban in Texas
By Caroline Lees

Daily Telegraph 12/14/1997



THE Taliban, Afghanistan's Islamic fundamentalist army, is about to sign a £2 billion contract with an American oil company to build a pipeline across the war-torn country.

The Islamic warriors appear to have been persuaded to close the deal, not through delicate negotiation but by old-fashioned Texan hospitality. Last week Unocal, the Houston-based company bidding to build the 876-mile pipeline from Turkmenistan to Pakistan, invited the Taliban to visit them in Texas. Dressed in traditional salwar khameez, Afghan waistcoats and loose, black turbans, the high-ranking delegation was given VIP treatment during the four-day stay.

The Taliban ministers and their advisers stayed in a five-star hotel and were chauffeured in a company minibus. Their only requests were to visit Houston's zoo, the Nasa space centre and Omaha's Super Target discount store to buy stockings, toothpaste, combs and soap. The Taliban, which controls two-thirds of Afghanistan and is still fighting for the last third, was also given an insight into how the other half lives.

The men, who are accustomed to life without heating, electricity or running water, were amazed by the luxurious homes of Texan oil barons. Invited to dinner at the palatial home of Martin Miller, a vice-president of Unocal, they marvelled at his swimming pool, views of the golf course and six bathrooms. After a meal of specially prepared halal meat, rice and Coca-Cola, the hardline fundamentalists - who have banned women from working and girls from going to school - asked Mr Miller about his Christmas tree.

"They were interested to know what it was for and what the star was," said Mr Miller, who hopes that Unocal has clinched the deal. "The first day, they were stiff and cautious. But before long they were totally relaxed and happy," he said. Unocal, which heads an international consortium of companies from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Japan, has been bidding for the contract since vast oil and gas reserves were discovered in Turkmenistan, one of the southernmost states of the former Soviet Union, in 1994. The fuel has so far been untapped because of Moscow's demands for high transport fees if it passes through Russian-controlled territory. The quickest and cheapest way to get the reserves out is to build a pipeline through Afghanistan.

It will supply two of the fastest-growing energy markets in the world: Pakistan and India. The Unocal group has one significant attraction for the Taliban - it has American government backing. At the end of their stay last week, the Afghan visitors were invited to Washington to meet government officials. The US government, which in the past has branded the Taliban's policies against women and children "despicable", appears anxious to please the fundamentalists to clinch the lucrative pipeline contract. The Taliban is likely to have been impressed by the American government's interest as it is anxious to win international recognition. So far, it has been recognised only by the UAE, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

Unocal has promised to start building the pipeline immediately, despite the region's instability. There is fighting just 87 miles from the planned entry point of the pipeline in the northwest of the country. The Taliban has assured Unocal that its workers and the pipeline will be safe, but it cannot guarantee that it will not be attacked by opposition forces.

The consortium has also agreed to start paying the Taliban immediately. The Islamic army will receive tax on every one of the million cubic feet of fuel that passes through Afghanistan every day. Unocal has also offered other inducements. Apart from giving fax machines, generators and T-shirts, it has donated £500,000 to the University of Nebraska for courses in Afghanistan to train 400 teachers, electricians, carpenters and pipefitters. Nearly 150 students are already receiving technical training in southern Afghanistan.

But it was the homely touches which swayed the Taliban. When the delegation left Texas, one of their entourage stayed behind. Mullah Mohammad Ghaus, the former foreign minister and a leading member of the Taliban ruling council, remained in Texas for medical treatment. Years on the front line damaged his eyesight. Unocal bought him a battery-powered magnifying glass and are paying for him to go to an optician.
8  General / General Discussion / Re: World Agenda: the Taleban? They're puppets of the US. - Times newspaper of UK on: June 12, 2009, 06:35:11 AM
Rahmatillah Hashemi -the representative of the Taliban was given a place in the breeding ground for CIA alumnus and their children -
YALE.

From article Should Sayed Rahmatullah Hashemi be at Yale?

................Schuster's persistent efforts -- and an educational charity he and Hoover set up to finance tuition costs -- it is doubtful Hashemi would have ended up in New Haven.

http://www.yalealumnimagazine.com/issues/2006_05/rahmatullah.html
9  General / General Discussion / Re: World Agenda: the Taleban? They're puppets of the US. - Times newspaper of UK on: June 12, 2009, 06:16:19 AM
Gotta Go
Laili Helms, Other Taliban Reps Stop Talking



Camelia E. Fard
published: November 13, 2001

It was an unusual alliance from the beginning, and it appears not to have lasted long. Laili Helms, the niece by marriage of former CIA director Richard Helms, hooked up with the Taliban as an unofficial representative in the United States. Now she claims to have broken all ties with fundamentalist regime. For years, Laili Helms, born in Afghanistan but raised in wealth and comfort in the West, was the most vocal supporter of the Taliban in the United States. In a June article headlined "The Accidental Operative," she told the Voice about her work defending the Taliban. "Afghanistan was like a Mad Max scenario," the New Jersey resident said. "Anyone who had a gun and a pickup truck could abduct your women, rape them. . . . When the Taliban came and established security, the majority of Afghan women who suffered from the chaotic conditions were happy because they could live, their children could live."

But when the Voice contacted her after the September 11 attacks, she said she was unhappy with the previous article and declined to comment. Called later, as the U.S. began taking action against Osama bin Laden and his Afghanistan-based terrorist network, Helms hung up.

Helms was not the only person representing the Taliban in the U.S.

Nake M. Kamrany, an economics professor at the University of Southern California, arranged last year for a Taliban ambassador at large to lecture at the University of California, both in Los Angeles and Berkeley. The trip ended at the State Department in Washington, D.C., with a reported offer to turn Osama bin Laden over to the U.S.

But when the Voice called after the terrorist attacks, Kamrany had nothing to say on the Taliban or the recent turn of events. Instead, he complained about being described in the June article as wearing a Hawaiian shirt and short pants. "I'm very angry," he said. "I won't talk with you anymore."

Likewise, Ghamar Farhad, a bank supervisor in San Francisco who had hosted the Taliban's visiting deputy minister of information, did not return several Voice calls seeking comment.
10  General / General Discussion / Re: World Agenda: the Taleban? They're puppets of the US. - Times newspaper of UK on: June 12, 2009, 06:13:56 AM
The Accidental Operative

Richard Helms’s Afghani Niece Leads Corps of Taliban Reps



Camelia Fard & James Ridgeway
published: June 12, 2001

WASHINGTON, D.C., June 6—On this muggy afternoon, a group of neatly attired men and a handful of women gather in a conference room at the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies. The guest list includes officials from the furthest corners of the world—Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Pakistan, and Turkey—and reps from the World Bank, the Uzbekistan chamber of commerce, the oil industry, and the Russian news agency Tass, along with various individuals identified only as "U.S. Government," which in times past was code for spook.

    *
      photo: Pak Fung Wong
      "Uncle Dick thinks I’m crazy": Laili Helms, niece of the former CIA director and ambassador for the Taliban.

At hand is a low-profile briefing on international narcotics by a top State Department official, who has recently returned from a United Nations trip to inspect the poppy fields of Afghanistan, source of 80 percent of the world's opium and target of a recent eradication campaign by the fundamentalist Taliban. The lecture begins as every other in Washington: The speaker politely informs the crowd he has nothing to do with policymaking. And, by the way, it's all off the record.

Lecture over, the chairman asks for questions. One man after another rises to describe his own observations while in the foreign service. The moderator pauses, looks to the back of the room, and says in a scarcely audible voice: "Laili Helms." The room goes silent.

For the people gathered here, the name brings back memories of Richard Helms, director of the CIA during the tumultuous 1960s, the era of Cuba and Vietnam. After he was accused of destroying most of the agency's secret documents detailing its own crimes, Helms left the CIA and became President Ford's ambassador to Iran. There, he trained the repressive secret police, inadvertently sparking the revolution that soon toppled his friend the Shah.

Laili Helms, his niece by marriage, is an operative, too—but of a different kind. This pleasant young woman who makes her home in New Jersey is the Taliban rulers' unofficial ambassador in the U.S., and their most active and best-known advocate elsewhere in the West. As such she not only defends but promotes a severe regime that has given the White House fits for the past six years—by throwing women out of jobs and schools, stoning adulterers, forcing Hindus to wear an identifying yellow patch, and smashing ancient Buddha statues.

In meetings on Capitol Hill and at the State Department, Helms represents a theocracy that harbors America's Public Enemy No. 1: Osama bin Laden, the man who allegedly masterminded the bombing of American embassies in Tanzania and Kenya and is suspected of blowing up the USS Cole. From his Afghan fortress, bin Laden operates a terrorist network reaching across the world.

All of which is highly ironic since bin Laden is the progeny of a U.S. policy that sought to unite Muslims in a jihad against the Soviet Union, but over a decade eroded the moderate political wing and launched a wave of young radical fundamentalists. The Taliban, says the author Ahmed Rashid, "is the hip-hop generation of Islamic militants. They know nothing about nothing. Their aim is the destruction of the status quo, but they offer nothing to replace it with."

Now the Bush administration is lowering its sights, viewing the Taliban within a broader context of an oil-rich central Asia. The chaotic region is strewn with crooked governments, terrorist brotherhoods, thieving warlords, and smugglers. Against this backdrop, the Taliban sometimes seems to be the least of our problems.

The mullahs would like to take advantage of the Bush administration's own fundamentalist leanings, complete with antidrug, pro-energy, and feminist-rollback policies. Their often comic efforts to establish representation in the U.S. took off when they found Helms. For them, she is a disarming presence, the unassuming woman at the back of the room.

After spending most her life in the States, Helms has impeccable suburban credentials. She lives in Jersey City and is the mother of a couple of grade-school kids. Her husband works at Chase Manhattan.

A granddaughter of a former Afghan minister in the last monarchy, she returned home during the war to work on U.S. aid missions. "Everyone thinks I'm a spy," she said in a recent Voice interview. "And Uncle Dick thinks I'm crazy."

Helms's home across the Hudson has become a sort of kitchen-table embassy. She says she patches together conference calls between the Taliban leadership and State Department officials. A recent one cost more than $1000, an expense she covered from her own checking account.

One moment she's packing up a used computer for the foreign ministry in Kabul, the next driving down to Washington for a briefing or meeting with members of Congress. Her cell phone rings nonstop. "These guys," she says, referring to the Taliban leaders, "are on no one else's agenda. They are so isolated you can't call the country. You can't send letters out. None of their officials can leave Afghanistan now."

Indeed, the Taliban government is virtually unrecognized by most others. It has no standing at the UN, where it has come under scathing indictment for human rights abuses. In February, the U.S. demanded that Taliban offices here be closed.

Helms may be just another suburban mom in the States, but last year in Afghanistan she got movie-star treatment, driving around downtown Kabul in a smart late-model Japanese car, escorted by armed guards waving Kalashnikov rifles, rattling away in English and Farsi as she shot video footage to prove that Afghan women are working, free, and happy.

She stands at the public relations hub of a ragtag network of amateur Taliban advocates in the U.S. At the University of Southern California, economics professor Nake M. Kamrany arranged last year for the Taliban's Rahmatullah Hashami, ambassador at large, to bypass the visa block. He even rounded up enough money for Hashami to lecture at the University of California, both in Los Angeles and Berkeley. The trip ended at the State Department in D.C., with a reported offer to turn Osama bin Laden over to the U.S.

Kamrany hardly looks the part of a foreign emissary, showing up for an interview recently in Santa Monica dressed in a Hawaiian shirt and shorts, and insisting on a tuna fish sandwich before getting down to defending the burqa, the head-to-toe covering required for Afghani women. In addition to Kamrany, there's the erstwhile official Taliban representative, Abdul Hakim Mojahed, in Queens, whom Helms dismisses with a wave of her hand as a do-nothing, not worth talking to. Mojahed's voice line has been disconnected, and his fax number never picks up.

Dr. Davood Davoodyar, an economics professor at Cal State in San Francisco, joined the jihad to fight against the Soviets in the early 1980s. Today he keeps in touch with the elusive Mojahed, who seems to have gone underground since his office was shuttered. Davoodyar thinks the Taliban is helping to stabilize Afghanistan, but concedes, "If I asked my wife to wear the burqa, she'd kill me."

Also in San Francisco, Ghamar Farhad, a bank supervisor, has served as host to the Taliban's visiting deputy minister of information along with the ambassador at large. She generally likes the Taliban because she believes they have cut down on rape, but got very upset when they blew up the Buddha statues. When the Taliban explained to her that these satanic idols had to go, Farhad says, she changed her mind.

Led by Helms, these people have answers for all the accusations made against the Taliban, starting with its treatment of women. To a visitor it might seem as if women had just disappeared, as if by some sort of massive ethnic cleansing. Though they made up 40 percent of all the doctors and 70 percent of teachers in the capital, women were forced to abandon Western clothes and stay indoors behind windows painted black "for their own good." Ten million reportedly have been denied education, hospital care, and the right to work.

The Taliban insists that a woman wear a burqa, stifling garb with only tiny slits for her eyes and no peripheral vision. Even her voice is banned. In shops or in the market, she must have her brother, husband, or father speak to the shopkeeper so that she will not excite him with the sound of her speaking.

Helms argues that foreign observers have forgotten conditions in the country following the war against the Soviets. "Afghanistan was like a Mad Max scenario," she says. "Anyone who had a gun and a pickup truck could abduct your women, rape them. . . . When the Taliban came and established security, the majority of Afghan women who suffered from the chaotic conditions were happy, because they could live, their children could live."

But a current Physicians for Human Rights poll taken in Afghanistan reports that women surveyed in Taliban-controlled areas "almost unanimously expressed that the Taliban had made their life 'much worse.' " They reported high rates of depression and suicide.

Last year a group of Afghani women gathered in Tajikistan made a concerted demand for basic human rights, citing "torture and inhumane and degrading treatment." Their address noted that "poverty and the lack of freedom of movement push women into prostitution, involuntary exile, forced marriages, and the selling and trafficking of their daughters."

The Taliban drew more worldwide criticism for its abuse of other religious and ethnic minorities. It required that Hindus wear yellow clothing—saris for women and shirts for men, so they could be distinguished from Muslims—a move that immediately brought back images of Jews in Nazi Germany wearing the Star of David. There are 5000 Hindus living in Kabul and thousands more in other Afghan cities. An Indian external affairs spokesman condemned the new requirements as "reprehensible" and told The Times of India it was another example of the Taliban's "obscurantist and racist ideology, which is alien to Afghan traditions."

Helms argues outsiders don't understand the import of the yellow tags. "We asked them to identify themselves [to protect] their religious beliefs. Everyone has identity cards. The intention is to protect people." She shrugs. "Here you have labels for handicapped people. So you can have special parking."

Blowing up the ancient statues of Buddhas, hewn from cliffs in the third and fifth centuries B.C., was another matter. "That was a very big deal," she says. "That was them thumbing their nose at the international community."

Helms has little regard for Osama bin Laden, whom she sneeringly refers to as a "tractor driver." She says he was inherited by the Taliban and is widely viewed as a "hang nail."

In 1999, Helms says, she got a message from the Taliban leadership that they were willing to turn over all of bin Laden's communications equipment, which they had seized, to the U.S. When she called the State Department with this offer, officials were at first interested, but later said, "No. We want him."

In the same year, Prince Turki, head of Saudi intelligence, reputedly came up with a scheme to capture bin Laden on his own; after consulting with the Taliban he flew his private plane to Kabul and drove out to see Mullah Omar at his HQ. The two men sat down, as Helms recounts the story, and the Saudi said, "There's just one little thing. Will you kill bin Laden before you put him on the plane?" Mullah Omar called for a bucket of cold water. As the Saudi delegation fidgeted, he took off his turban, splashed water on his head, and then washed his hands before sitting back down. "You know why I asked for the cold water?" he asked Turki. "What you just said made my blood boil."

Bin Laden was a guest of the Afghanis and there was no way they were going to kill him, though they might turn him over for a trial. At that the deal collapsed, and Turki flew home empty-handed.

Early this year, the Taliban's ambassador at large, Hashami, a young man speaking perfect English, met with CIA operations people and State Department reps, Helms says. At this final meeting, she says, Hashami proposed that the Taliban hold bin Laden in one location long enough for the U.S. to locate and destroy him. The U.S. refused, says Helms, who claims she was the go-between in this deal between the supreme leader and the feds.

A U.S. government source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, made clear that the U.S. is not trying to kill bin Laden but instead wants him expelled from Afghanistan so he can be brought to justice. Acknowledging that Laili Helms does a lot of lobbying on behalf of the Taliban, this source said Helms does not speak to the Taliban for the U.S.

In the realpolitik of Bush foreign policy, the Taliban may have improved its chances for an opening of relations with the rest of the world. As it now stands, there seems little question that Afghanistan has indeed stopped the production of poppies in the areas under its control. Partly as a result, its farmers are destitute, their lives made more miserable by drought.

But that's not likely to faze the powers that be in Afghanistan, since most of the country's real money comes from taxing non-dope trade. Nor will it bother the drug traffickers, who swarm the region and are shifting production north and west into such places as Turkmenistan. As of last month, the U.S. had committed $124 million in aid to Afghanistan, according to the State Department. Meanwhile, Iran, which harbors some 2 million Afghan refugees and is fighting massive drug addiction, has sent agricultural engineers north to help repair Afghanistan's irrigation systems.

Last week Milt Bearden, the former CIA station chief in Pakistan and Sudan, argued in The Wall Street Journal that the Bush administration should take a "more restrained approach" to bin Laden. "There may be a realization that the two years of unrestrained rhetoric of the Clinton administration following the 1998 attacks in Africa may have done little more than inflate the myth that has inspired others to harm Americans," he wrote.

None of this has changed the impression most people here have of the Taliban. Helms and her cohorts have a lot of work to do. As she freely admits, the Taliban leaders "are considered fascists, tyrants, Pol Pots. They can't do anything right. We perceive them as monsters no matter what they do."

Additional reporting: Ariston-Lizabeth Anderson and Rouven Gueissaz
11  General / General Discussion / Re: World Agenda: the Taleban? They're puppets of the US. - Times newspaper of UK on: June 12, 2009, 06:04:20 AM
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bTp9sSuzpI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bTp9sSuzpI</a>
12  General / General Discussion / World Agenda: the Taleban? They're puppets of the US. - Times newspaper of UK on: June 12, 2009, 05:53:55 AM
Read the following two article about US and Taliban - the denouncers of Taliban - and the actions of the US running  dogs against their denouncers.  The following article by the Times attempts to shield itself from outward criticism by throwing in the words 'conspiracy theory' but it is in effect saying that these ideas are not just conspiracy theories and have some legitimacy to them.

World Agenda: the Taleban? They're puppets of the US

June 9, 2009

US and British officials are no doubt delighted to see tribesmen in northwestern Pakistan fighting the Taleban after years of sheltering, tolerating or supporting them. Elsewhere in the country, there has also been an unprecedented wave of public, political and even religious support for the army’s campaign in Swat, despite the massive exodus of refugees.

This appears to show that Pakistanis have at last heeded Western warnings that the militancy they face is indigenous and threatens the existence of the Pakistani state.

What is less encouraging — and less well advertised — is that a key reason for the backlash is that many Pakistanis believe the Taleban is being funded and armed by America as part of an elaborate geopolitical conspiracy.

Absurd as it may sound to Westerners this conspiracy theory, like so many others in Pakistan, seems to have taken root among even well-educated people in the political, military and religious establishments.

It was outlined recently in an interview with Sarfraz Ahmed Naeemi, a respected Sunni cleric who set up an alliance of 22 Islamic groups and political parties last month with the explicit goal of opposing the Taleban.

He explained that the Taleban preached an extreme version of the Deobandi school of Sunni Islam, while most Pakistanis followed the more moderate Barelvi school.

He said that many Pakistanis were outraged when the Taleban attacked Barelvi shrines, and denounced Pakistan’s constitution and democratic system as unIslamic.

Halfway through the interview, however, he suddenly added that the Taleban was also being funded and trained by the CIA, Mossad, and India’s RAW intelligence agency. Why? As part of a strategy to carve out an independent statelet in northwestern Pakistan to help to contain China’s growing military and economic power. And to capture Pakistan’s nuclear weapons.

So America is now funding the Pakistani army and using CIA drones to attack militants who are in fact funded and armed by America?

Yes.

And what about the militants blamed for last year’s attack on Mumbai? They were Indian intelligence agents who staged the attack to give India an excuse to exact revenge by staging another attack — this time on the Sri Lankan cricket team in Lahore.

And why would India want to do that? So that Pakistan would not be able to co-host the 2011 cricket World Cup, of course.

He went on to say that most of his fellow clerics felt the same way, and many included such theories in their sermons at Friday prayers. No wonder such ideas spread fast across the country — 45 per cent of which is illiterate — and are reinforced through repetition in the domestic media, especially the Urdu-language press.

Nor are these theories confined to the civilian population.

A few days after the interview with Dr Naeemi , a senior Pakistani security official admitted that similar views were common in the army and the intelligence service, although they were not official policy.

His justification made slightly more sense, although it was equally hard to prove or disprove: he claimed that the CIA had on at least one occasion had Baitullah Mehsud, the Pakistani Taleban chief, in the sights of one of its drones but had decided not to kill him.

He was also convinced that Washington had never wanted Pakistan to have nuclear weapons, and cited US media reports about contingency plans for American special forces to secure, or destroy, Pakistan’s atomic facilities.

Yes, he conceded, there was an unprecedented level of public support for the Pakistani army. Just don’t confuse that with support for the United States.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/world_agenda/article6462959.ece
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That article appeared June 9th and on June 12th the religious scholar is assassinated - but is hardly covered in any western press.
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Suicide Attack In Lahore Religious Scholar Sarfraz Naeemi Killed
June 12th, 2009

LAHORE: Renowned religious scholar and principal of Jamia Naeemia Lahore Dr Sarfraz Ahmed Naeemi among three people were killed in a suicide attack at his seminary here Friday.

The blast that apparently was a suicide attack occurred following the Jumma prayer in the seminary situated at Garhi Shahu area of the metropolis.

According to preliminary reports, the blast was occurred in the office of Dr Sarfraz Ahmed Naeemi, the principle of one of the largest religious seminary of the city. Naeemi was present in his office at the time of the blast, says an eyewitness.

The blast was as powerful as it completely destroyed the offices building and also damaged the nearby installations of the seminary.

Rescuers and law enforcement personnel have arrived at the scene and the injured were being rushed to Mayo Hospital, Ganga Ram Hospital and other nearby hospitals.

http://www.apakistannews.com/suicide-attack-in-lahore-religious-scholar-sarfraz-naeemi-killed-125537

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Benazir Bhutto was also of the view that the Taliban and others around and behind it are proxies of the US - and she specifically mentioned BAITULLAH Mehsud as being an 'Afghan Warlord'  ------  anyhow - she was removed twice from premiership when she dared to criticize the US and the Islamists and eventually assassinated.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg</a>
13  General / General Discussion / Re: 2009 announced Year of Imam Azam Abu Hanifa in Tajikistan on: June 12, 2009, 05:45:39 AM
Read the following two article about US and Taliban - the denouncers of Taliban - and the actions of the US running  dogs against their denouncers.  The following article by the Times attempts to shield itself from outward criticism by throwing in the words 'conspiracy theory' but it is in effect saying that these ideas are not just conspiracy theories and have some legitimacy to them.

World Agenda: the Taleban? They're puppets of the US

June 9, 2009

US and British officials are no doubt delighted to see tribesmen in northwestern Pakistan fighting the Taleban after years of sheltering, tolerating or supporting them. Elsewhere in the country, there has also been an unprecedented wave of public, political and even religious support for the army’s campaign in Swat, despite the massive exodus of refugees.

This appears to show that Pakistanis have at last heeded Western warnings that the militancy they face is indigenous and threatens the existence of the Pakistani state.

What is less encouraging — and less well advertised — is that a key reason for the backlash is that many Pakistanis believe the Taleban is being funded and armed by America as part of an elaborate geopolitical conspiracy.

Absurd as it may sound to Westerners this conspiracy theory, like so many others in Pakistan, seems to have taken root among even well-educated people in the political, military and religious establishments.

It was outlined recently in an interview with Sarfraz Ahmed Naeemi, a respected Sunni cleric who set up an alliance of 22 Islamic groups and political parties last month with the explicit goal of opposing the Taleban.

He explained that the Taleban preached an extreme version of the Deobandi school of Sunni Islam, while most Pakistanis followed the more moderate Barelvi school.

He said that many Pakistanis were outraged when the Taleban attacked Barelvi shrines, and denounced Pakistan’s constitution and democratic system as unIslamic.

Halfway through the interview, however, he suddenly added that the Taleban was also being funded and trained by the CIA, Mossad, and India’s RAW intelligence agency. Why? As part of a strategy to carve out an independent statelet in northwestern Pakistan to help to contain China’s growing military and economic power. And to capture Pakistan’s nuclear weapons.

So America is now funding the Pakistani army and using CIA drones to attack militants who are in fact funded and armed by America?

Yes.

And what about the militants blamed for last year’s attack on Mumbai? They were Indian intelligence agents who staged the attack to give India an excuse to exact revenge by staging another attack — this time on the Sri Lankan cricket team in Lahore.

And why would India want to do that? So that Pakistan would not be able to co-host the 2011 cricket World Cup, of course.

He went on to say that most of his fellow clerics felt the same way, and many included such theories in their sermons at Friday prayers. No wonder such ideas spread fast across the country — 45 per cent of which is illiterate — and are reinforced through repetition in the domestic media, especially the Urdu-language press.

Nor are these theories confined to the civilian population.

A few days after the interview with Dr Naeemi , a senior Pakistani security official admitted that similar views were common in the army and the intelligence service, although they were not official policy.

His justification made slightly more sense, although it was equally hard to prove or disprove: he claimed that the CIA had on at least one occasion had Baitullah Mehsud, the Pakistani Taleban chief, in the sights of one of its drones but had decided not to kill him.

He was also convinced that Washington had never wanted Pakistan to have nuclear weapons, and cited US media reports about contingency plans for American special forces to secure, or destroy, Pakistan’s atomic facilities.

Yes, he conceded, there was an unprecedented level of public support for the Pakistani army. Just don’t confuse that with support for the United States.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/world_agenda/article6462959.ece
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That article appeared June 9th and on June 12th the religious scholar is assassinated - but is hardly covered in any western press.
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Suicide Attack In Lahore Religious Scholar Sarfraz Naeemi Killed
June 12th, 2009

LAHORE: Renowned religious scholar and principal of Jamia Naeemia Lahore Dr Sarfraz Ahmed Naeemi among three people were killed in a suicide attack at his seminary here Friday.

The blast that apparently was a suicide attack occurred following the Jumma prayer in the seminary situated at Garhi Shahu area of the metropolis.

According to preliminary reports, the blast was occurred in the office of Dr Sarfraz Ahmed Naeemi, the principle of one of the largest religious seminary of the city. Naeemi was present in his office at the time of the blast, says an eyewitness.

The blast was as powerful as it completely destroyed the offices building and also damaged the nearby installations of the seminary.

Rescuers and law enforcement personnel have arrived at the scene and the injured were being rushed to Mayo Hospital, Ganga Ram Hospital and other nearby hospitals.

http://www.apakistannews.com/suicide-attack-in-lahore-religious-scholar-sarfraz-naeemi-killed-125537

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Benazir Bhutto was also of the view that the Taliban and others around and behind it are proxies of the US - and she specifically mentioned BAITULLAH Mehsud as being an 'Afghan Warlord'  ------  anyhow - she was removed twice from premiership when she dared to criticize the US and the Islamists and eventually assassinated.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg</a>
14  General / General Discussion / Re: 2009 announced Year of Imam Azam Abu Hanifa in Tajikistan on: June 12, 2009, 05:31:05 AM
Wow, I wasn't aware that Hanifah had background from afghanistan - this is something to be proud of! 
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It will aide the efforts to keep the people of Tajikistan from suffering the way people Afghanistan suffered through the exploitation of religion by blood thirsty CIA and Oil companies

What do you mean by this Ahhangar bro?

And a question to those from Tajikistan: how important is religion in influencing how society operates? Has Tajikistan become more familiar with Islam after the collapse of the Soviet Union?


Abu Hanifa had nothing to do with Afghanistan. Never call him an Afghan.  Get it right. We have to stop confusing ourselves - and making dumb remarks against the real history of the land.  (Afghanistan proper,  is in western Pakistan - northern parts of Baluchistan - the parts north and east of Quetta - and including Waziristan - centered around a place called 'Takhti Suliman' in he heart of the Sulimani Mountains. It was not even  part of the Islamic world in the time of Abu Hanifa, note the Afghans were recorded to be fighting along side Hindus against Mahmud Ghaznawi, whom came about much later.)

Abu Hanfia had everything to do with Khurasan. His father was from Kabul - and he spoke the Persian language along side Arabic. He called for the justification of the using other languages in Islam - especially Persian. He and ABU Muslim Khurasani were key players - along with Barmakians of Balkh - all from Khurasan - in the revolution of Khurasan and the creation of the Abbasid Caliphate - though they were all late executed/assassinated by the treacherous Arab house of Abbas.


What I meant by helping the people of Tajikistan from suffering - it is because - the people of Tajikistan identify with the religion of Islam - and like the people of Afghanistan are prone to being mislead by some 'ISLAMIC' groups whom are actually tools of US policy in the region.  The US - created havoc in our country by creating and promoting its proxies - whom all hide behind the name of Islam - like HEKMATYAR AND TALIBAN.   The US wants to do the same to Tajikistan. (It attempted previously with the Islamic movements of Tajikistan -  part of whom allied with the Taliban in 1995 -1996  - before they were put right by Massoud and forced to come to terms with the Rahmon regime.  Massoud was not an agent of the CIA and thus eventually assassinated). By the government of Tajikistan going all out to claim Islam as part of itself and the country - actively promoting it - they are in effect  reducing the impact and credibility of those militants whom want to use arguments of Islam for creating havoc in the country...
15  General / General Discussion / 2009 announced Year of Imam Azam Abu Hanifa in Tajikistan on: June 11, 2009, 09:46:18 PM
Focusing on Islamic Heritage

DUSHANBE, June 8

The Times of Central Asia

Addressing a meeting dedicated to the 17th anniversary of Tajikistan’s Independence, President Emomali Rahmon announced that the year of 2009 will be Year of Imama Azam in Tajikistan.

The president noted that separation of Islam from Tajik national culture and separation of Tajik national culture from Islam is erroneous.

The Tajik head of state noted that 1,310 birthday anniversary of Al-Imam al-A’zam, “The Greatest Imam” Nu’man bin Thabit bin Zuta bin Mahan, better known by his kunya as Abu H?an?fah, who was the founder of the Sunni Hanafi school of Islamic jurisprudence.

Al-Imam al-A’zam, “The Greatest Imam” Nu’man bin Thabit bin Zuta bin Mahan, better known by his kunya as Abu H?an?fah, (699 — 767 CE / 80 — 148 AH) was the founder of the Sunni Hanafi school of Islamic jurisprudence.

Abu Hanifa was also one of the Tabi’een, the generation after the Sahaba, because he saw the Sahabi Anas ibn Malik, and transmitted hadiths from him and other Sahaba.

Abu Hanifa (699 — 767 CE / 80 — 148 AH) was born in Kufa, Iraq during the reign of the powerful Umayyad capilph Abdul Malik bin Marwan.  Acclaimed as Al-Imam al-A’zam, or Al-A’dham (the Great Imam), Nu’man bin Thabit bin Zuta bin Mah was better known by his kunya Abu Hanifa. It was not a true kunya, as he did not have a son called Hanifa, but an epithetical one meaning pure in monotheistic belief. His father, Thabit bin Zuta, a trader from Kabul, part of Khorasan in Persia, (the capital of modern day Afghanistan),was 40 years old at the time of Abu Hanifa’s birth.

His ancestry is generally accepted as being of non-Arab origin as suggested by the etymology of then names of his grandfather (Zuta) and great-grandfather (Mah). The historian, Al-Khatib al-Baghdadi, records a statement from Abu Hanifa’s grandson, Ismail bin Hammad, who gave Abu Hanifa’s lineage as Thabit bin Numan bin Marzban and claiming to be of Persian origin. The discrepancy in the names, as given by Ismail of Abu Hanifa’s grandfather and great-grandfather are thought to be due to Zuta’s adoption of a muslim name (Numan) upon his acceptance of Islam and that Mah and Marzban were titles or official designations in Persia. Further differences of opinion exist on his ancestry. Abu Muti, for example, describes Abu Hanifa as an Arab citing his ancestry as Numan bin Thabit bin Zuta bin Yahya bin Zaid bin Asad. The widely accepted opinion, however, is that he was of Persian ancestry.

Ahhangar.

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Hanafi school recognized as official religion of Tajikistan


05.03.2009 15:48

Author: Avaz Yuldoshev

DUSHANBE, March 5, 2009, Asia-Plus -- The Majlisi Namoyandagon (Tajikistan’s lower chamber of parliament) has endorsed a bill recognizing the Hanafi school as an official religion of Tajikistan.

A regular sitting of the fifth session of the Majlisi Namoyandagon of the third convocation, presided over by its head, Saydullo Khairulloyev, was held on March 5.

The draft law of Tajikistan “On Freedom of Conscience and Religious Associations” was a major topic of the meeting.

Presenting the bill, Culture Minister Mirzoshorukh Asrori noted that the draft law should replace the country the country's law “On Freedom of Conscience and Religious Associations” that was adopted in 1990 already.

“Religious radicalism, nihilism and some other religious movements alien to our people that emerged in society lately are among reasons for adoption of the new law,” the minister said.

According to him, preparation of the bill lasted for two years and Tajik specialists and religious scholars as well as representatives of public associations and international experts from the OSCE took part in discussion of the bill.  Asrori noted that they had taken into consideration an alternative bill worked out by senior representatives of the Islamic Revival Party (IRPT) Muhiddin Kabiri and Mahmadsharif Himmatzoda, while preparing the bill.

Some 3,000 mosques, including 259 cathedral mosques, as well as 18 religious educational facilities currently function in the country, the minister said.  “Parishioners of all these mosques and students at these educational facilities are followers of the Hanafi school.  Therefore we propose to recognize the Hanafi school as an official religion of Tajikistan.”

Parliamentarians endorsed the ill without any serious discussions.

Among the four established Sunni schools of legal thought in Islam, the Hanafi school is the oldest, Abu Hanifa was the first to systematically arrange and compile Islamic law.  A unique feature of the school is the method in which the law was codified:  Abu Hanifa would convene and preside over a board of jurists (consisting of about 40-50 of his own students) and each would give his own opinion on a particular legal issue, Abu Hanifa would then decide which is the opinion that is to be selected by corroborating it or sometimes would offer his own unique opinion.  The Hanafi school also has the most followers among the four major Sunni schools.

Today, the Hanafi school is predominant among the Sunnis of Central Asia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, India, China as well as in Iraq, Syria, Turkey, Albania, Bosnia, Kosovo, Macedonia in the Balkans and the Caucasus.

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It is great that president of Tajikistan has done this -  Abu Hanifa being reclaimed from the many 'Islamic' militant running dogs of US imperialism (e.g.Hizb ut Tahrir and others ) which do all sorts in the name of Sunni-Hanafi Islam.  It will aide the efforts to keep the people of Tajikistan from suffering the way people Afghanistan suffered through the exploitation of religion by blood thirsty CIA and Oil companies.

Check out the unbelievable editorial by the US government in the VOA recently about their 'concern' at the treatment of Muslims in Tajikistan - the bastards are busy trying to destabilize Tajikistan using its running dogs in order to get a justification to go in full force - just like it did in Afghanistan with its Taliban running dogs.


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Editorial VOA :  Tajikistan's New Law On Religion

17 April 2009    
http://www.voanews.com/uspolicy/2009-04-17-voa4.cfm

Tajikistan's new law on religion will make life tougher on all of the country's believers, not least of all those professing the country's predominant religion, Islam.

In passing the new law, which entered into force on April 1st, the government of Tajikistan reserves for itself the right to dictate to the people how many places of worship will be allowed to operate and where they may be located, and how often prayers may be observed. The law allows for censorship of religious literature, and outlaws several minority faiths.

According to the independent United States Commission on International Religious Freedom, which monitors the status of freedom of religion, the new law "will legalize harsh policies already adopted by the Tajik government against its majority Muslim population, including the closure of hundreds of mosques and limiting religious education of children."

In passing this highly restrictive law, Tajikistan is reneging on its international obligations. The new law contravenes Article 18 of the United Nations International Covenant for Civil and Political rights, which provides for religious freedom, which had been signed by Tajikistan. Moreover, as a member of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, Tajikistan is obliged to conform to that organization's tenets defining freedom of religion.

Article 26 of the Constitution of Tajikistan states that "Every person has the right freely to determine their position toward religion, to profess any religion individually or together with others or not to profess any, and to take part in religious customs and ceremonies. By defining which religious organizations may or may not operate within Tajikistan, and by dictating how, when, where and how often citizens may practice or teach their religion, the new law directly contradicts the country's own Constitution.

In a recent speech, U.S. President Barack Obama said: "Freedom of religion and expression lead to a strong and vibrant civil society that only strengthens the state."

The government of Tajikistan should re-think its newly legislated restrictions on the freedom of religion. They benefit neither the people, nor the state of Tajikistan.
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