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Question: What alphabet do you perfer for Persian?
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« Reply #165 on: July 21, 2008, 07:15:44 AM »

None of them. Farsi is fine!
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« Reply #166 on: July 21, 2008, 10:59:50 PM »

Is this debate still going? When are we going to talk about implementing some of our suggestions?



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« Reply #167 on: July 23, 2008, 08:53:04 AM »

Discussion of the alphabet with Dariush Rajabiyan in the known Tajik internet-site of "Asia-Plus"

Doriushi RAJABIYON, maxsus baroi somonai «ASIA-Plus»

Biduni bozgasht ba xatti porsi mo gharibu dastitanho xohem mond: jak jazirai sirillik dar uqjonusi lotin va judo az hamzabonone, ki xattashon hamchunon misli qadim porsist.


 Dar dili jangalhoi Brazil qavme hast bo nomi Piroho (Pirahã), ki zindagie ibtidoi'i dorand va zabone beandoza soda. Ba gunae, ki shumori ashyo dar in zabon bartar az «du» nameravad. Ja`ne vozhahoe, ki dar in zabon baroi shumorishi ashyo mavjud ast, «yak», «du» va «bisyor» ast. Pazhuhandagoni ravonshinos va mardumshinos pas az kashfi in qavm va anjomi barxe ozmoishho ba natijae rasidaand, ki zabon nahvai tafakkuri moro mushakhas mekunad.

Namoyandagoni qavmi Piroho ba osoni' metavonistand du zarba rui taxtaro takror kunand. Ammo agar shumori zarbaho beshtar az du bor meshud, takrori zarbaxo baroi pirohoi'iho dushvor bud. Onho dar ta`i'ini shumori daqiqi ashyoe, ki beshtar az du adad bud xam mushkil doshtand. Chun afrodi in qavm nudratan bo adade bolotar az «du» sarukor doshtaand.  

In ozmoish dar bahsi duru darozi taqaddumi zabon yo andesha nakshi muhimme dosht va bartarii zabon bar andesharo to haddi ziyode sobit kard. To on zamon in bahs shabehi bahsi takaddumi «murg yo tuxmi murg» bud. Ammo pas on beshtari donishpazhuhon mutmain shudand, ki zabon ta`i'inqunandai andesha ast. Ya`ne zabon ast, ki andesharo shakl medihad.

In bad-on ma`nost, ki zaboni mo har andoza purbortar va purmuhtavotar boshad, andeshai mo niz ba hamon andoza farogirtar va peshravtar ast.

Hamin ozmoishro dar Tojikiston niz metavon anchom dod va az mardum na shumori ashyo, balki nomi ehsosotero pursid, ki ba onho dast medihad. Masalan, «ba hangomi didani sahnai zibh (kushtan)-i yak gov chi' hisse ba shumo dast medihad?» Yo «vaqte ki mujassamai Leninro sarnagun kardand, shumo chi hisse doshted?» Yo «istiqloli Tojikiston chi hissero dar shumo ba vujud ovard?»


Az pesh metavon guft, ki beshtari posuxho ba in pursishhoi mutafovit hamson xohad bud: «Kim-chi khel.»

«Kim-chi khel» dar mavridhoe ba kor meravad, ki nomi on his yo ehsos baroi guyanda gung boshad. Va dar voqe`, dar beshtari mavorid dar zehxni guyanda hech vozhae chuz «kim-chi xel» pai'do nameshavad. Chi hissi vahshatu inzichor, chi hissi shodiyu sha`af bo yak tarkibi garibi «kim-chi xel» bajon meshavad, ki xoki' az benavoii vaxshatnoki vozhagonii porsigujoni Tojikiston ast. Ya`ne ba har andoza zaboni mo benavotar ast, ba hamon andoza tavlidi fikrii mo kamrangtar ast.

Yak kudaki panchsolai eroni' metavonad bo sad bayon ba zaboni mo ehsosi xudro dar mavridi yakoyaki in sahnaho bayon kunad, ammo mo bo «kim-chi xel» iktifo mekunem va gofil az khatare hastem, ki buniyai millati Tojikistonro tahdid mekunad.

Mushkili zabon, ki ma`mulan ba xato chuz`i mushkiloti aslii kishvar ba shumor nameravad, ba rosti', moyai bisyore az giriftorihoi digar ast. Dar guzashta donishvaroni mo ba zaboni rusi' fikru ejod mekardand va goliban baroi har mafhume dar zehni xud yo rui kogaz vozhae xos yo istilohe doshtand. Aknun, ki zaboni rusi' oshkoro az sarzamini mo raxt barbasta va porsii tojiki' joi'guzini on shudaast, mushkil huvai'dost. Donishvaron ham aksaran nozo shudaand, chun baroi bisyore az mafhumho vozhae dar zehni xud surog nadorand.

Zaboni tarjumazada va masnu`ii hozirai tojiki' bo taqozoi zamona sozgor nest va ta`assubi bejihati mo mone` az bozgashti zaboni modarimon ba harimi xatti porsi' meshavad, to az farovardaho (mahsulot)-i zehnii hamzabononamon kor bigirem. Dar Eron hamaruza dahho unvon kitob chop meshavad, ki barxe tarjuma az zabonhoi gai'rand va shumore az osori xudi'. Nadonistani zaboni modari' (porsi') ba nahvi ahsant mone` az xondan va darki mazmuni on kitobho meshavad.

Hanuz iddae ba in pindori botiland, ki fikri bozgasht ba xatti porsii arabi' zoidai tafakkuri dasisachuyon ast. Dar hole ki in andesha chand sol pesh az istikloli Tojikiston va nufuzi neruhoi xoriji' bar kishvar buruz karda bud va irtibote bo xorichiho nadorad. In andesha, ba rosti', zoidai kishri ravshanfikri chome`a bud, ki sarkub shud. Kishre, ki ehsos mekard, biduni bozgasht ba xatti porsi' mo garibu dastitanho xohem mond: yak chazirai sirillik dar ukyonusi lotin va chudo az hamzabonone, ki xattashon hamchunon misli kadim porsist. Dar on sui marzho daryoe az ganchi donish ravon ast. Donish ba zaboni porsii tojiki', ki mo ba on dastrasi' nadorem. Tanho ba xotiri xatti tahmilii sirillik, ki xostai millat nabud.

Pazirishi xathoi begonai lotin va sirillik tanho daleli gusastagii mo az andeshai porsii tojhikist. Dar natija, shumo hech sho`iri shuravi' va pasoshuravii Tojikistonro pai'do namekuned, ki ash`orash az lihozi zabonu bayon ishkole nadoshta boshad. Baroi namuna, dar barxe az she`rho vozhai «Sino»-ro bo «bino» (ba ma`nii imorat) kofiya mebandand, ki ba daleli kutohii «i» dar vozhai duvvum galat ast. Va «bino» ba ma`nii shaxse, ki mebinad bo «bino» ba ma`nii soxtmon yakson navishta meshavad, ki boz ham galat ast. «Bino»-i naxust bo «i»-i darozi xud mutamoiz ast, ki dar xatti sirillik namoyon nest. Az in namunayo, ki nosozgorii xatti sirillik bo porsiro sobit mekunad, farovon ast, ammo in tanho daleli zarurati bozgasht ba xatti porsi' nest.

Shumore dalel meovarand, ki dar surati tagi'iri xatt mardumi Tojikiston dubora besavod xohand shud, dar hole ki aknun takriban hama bosavodand. Dar voqe`, in mavzu` bastagi' dorad ba darki mo az mavzu`i «savod». Oyo savod tanho ba ma`nii xondanu navishtan ast? Mo bo istifoda az xondanu navishtan chi' chize tavlid mekunem? Hududi 100 darsad mizoni savodi Tojikistonro bo hududi 80 darsadi Eron muqoisa kuned. Tavlidi fikrii kadom yak az in du kishvar beshtar ast?

Va chi' kase gufta, ki sirillikro boyad yakshaba kanor guzosht? Tagi'iri xatt dar kishvarhoi mutamaddin tai'i solhoi daroz ba tadrij anjom meshavad va az yak davrai duxatti' meguzarad, to hamagir shavad.

Voqe`iyati zaboni modarii mo dar kuchavu xiyobonhoi Dushanbe va har shahri buzurgi digari kishvar yak musht harfi pareshon ast, ki dar changi vozhahoi begona dastupo mezanad. Dar bisyore az mavridho boyad hads zad, ki guyanda chi' megujad: «Vai'ro girifta vai' kun, ki vai' nashavad.» Oyo hamin ast bosavodii farogiri mo? In az naxustin nishonahoi gungist, ki metavonad pas az muddate moro ba holati kavmi Pirohoi Brazil nazdik kunad.

Ludvig Vitgenshtai'n, fai'lasufi olmoni' ba chi zeboi'i gufta bud: «Haddu hududi zaboni man haddu hududi jahoni man ast». Mahdudiyati zaboni mo ba ma`nii mahdudiyati jahoni most. Agar man az bayoni mafhumhoe ba zaboni modarii xud ojizam, pas dar amri dastrasi' ba jahoni faroxtar niz nokom xoham bud. Tojikiston, ki aknun kishvare mustakil ast, boyad ba darki in haqiqat birasad, ki zaboni aslii in kishvar zaboni porsist va bistari munosib baroi rushdi in zabon xatti porsist. Zamone ki xamai xamsojagoni mo dar holi ru ovardan ba xatte digar hastand, chi' chize moro poi'bandi xatti sirillik nigah medorad? Hatto agar bixohem manofe`i siyosiro dar nazar bigirem, sirillik budani xatti mo chi' sude baroi Rusiya dorad? Magar qaror ast oqoi Medvedi'ev bo istifoda az xatti sirillik zaboni porsii moro biomuzad? To kunun chand hamqavmi u porsi' omuxta, to dilamon ba hamin khayol xush boshad? Va oyo porsidonii u muhimtar ast yo porsidonii mo?

Hatto agar az didi ideuluzhik ba in kaziya bingarem: Mo, ki xudro az navodagoni sarbalandi Somoniyon medonem, boyad az xud bipursem, ki oyo Ismo`ili Somoni' ba in xori' tan medod, ki ba begonagon boje chunin gazof bidihadu az hamqavmoni xud ba dur boshad? Somoniyon dudmone bud, ki arabiro kanor guzosht va porsiro dubora bar kursi' nishond. Chi zamone mo somonivor sirillikro kanor xohem guzoshtu ba ogushi zabonu xatti xudi' boz xohem gasht?

Dar asri inkilobi interneti', ki baxshi azimi shabakai chahoniro matolibi porsi' faro giriftaast, charo mo – porsiguyoni Osiyoi Miyona ba matolibe ba zaboni xudamon, ki ba xatti porsist, dastrasi' nadoshta boshem? Zabonu xatti porsi' imruza az jumlai umdatarin zabonhoi Internet ast va dastrasi' ba on matolib tanho ba sharte muyassar xohad shud, ki porsi' balad boshem. Tojikiston bo haft milyun jam`iyate, ki dorad, hargiz ba andozai jam`iyati haftodmilyunii Eron Internetro tasxir naxohad kard.

Barmegardem ba changalhoi anbuhi Brazil, ki dostoni mo az on cho ogoz girift. Pazhuxishho guyoi pai'vandi tangotangi andesha bo zabon ast. Agar zaboni mo vopasmonda ast, hargiz nametavon ba umedi shukufoi'ii farhangi', iqtisodi', ilmi', siyosi', ijtimo`i' va gai'ra bud. Chun zabon ast, ki ba in mafhumho shakl medihad va oyanda mesozad. Agar zaboni mo dar hamin holati vomonda bimonad, ba`id nest, ki ruzgore guruhe az donishpazhuhoni garbi' baroi omuzishi pai'vandi mihoni zabonu andesha dari moro ham bikuband.
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« Reply #168 on: July 23, 2008, 11:05:11 AM »

Afrasiabe gerami,

Thanks a lot for transliterating the piece. Here is the link to its Cyrillic version:

http://www.asiaplus.tj/tj/articles/96/2266.html
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« Reply #169 on: July 23, 2008, 11:39:11 PM »

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Afrasiabe gerami,

Thanks a lot for transliterating the piece. Here is the link to its Cyrillic version:

http://www.asiaplus.tj/tj/articles/96/2266.html


Oqoi Dariushi Rajabiyan in shumo hasted?:) Az matlabaton dar mavridi alifbo bisyor khusham omad. Tashakkur.
PS: Banda dar borai Shumo bisyor guftahoi khub shunidaam va ghoibona ehtirom doram. Sarbalandu burdbor boshed.
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« Reply #170 on: July 24, 2008, 02:38:07 AM »

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oqoi dariushi rajabiyan in shumo hasted?:) az matlabaton dar mavridi alifbo bisyor khusham omad. Tashakkur.
Ps: Banda dar borai shumo bisyor guftahoi khub shunidaam va ghoibona ehtirom doram. Sarbalandu burdbor boshed.


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« Reply #171 on: July 24, 2008, 03:55:36 AM »

Chera Rahman moxalefe xatte pasrsist:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/persian/tajikistan/story/2008/07/080723_rm_language_day.shtml
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« Reply #172 on: July 24, 2008, 05:18:20 AM »

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Chera Rahman moxalefe xatte pasrsist:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/persian/tajikistan/story/2008/07/080723_rm_language_day.shtml


???? ????? ?? ??? ?? ????? 22 ?????? ?? ???? ?? ?? ?????? ????? ?? "??? ???? ?????? (?????)" ??? ?? ???? ??? ? ???????? ????? ?? ????? ?? ?? ????????? ?? "???? ????? ?????? ?? ???? ??????? ??" ?????.

It's people's cultural rights to talk and think about promotion of their language.  A weak goverment always blame his opponents of spying for the forgenrs and Tafroqa Andazi, Mr. Rahamn is not exception here.

??? ???????? ?? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ????? ??? ?? ?? ???? ????? ????? ??? ???? ??? ?? ???? ??? ?? ???? ?? ??? ?????? ?????? ?????.

This is wrong i think.  The level of Educatoin of people and litercy rate only depend on policies of a goverment, now what aplhabet they use.


?? ???? ??? ?? ???? ??????? ????? ??? ?? ??? ???? ????? ???: "?? ??? ?? ???? ???????? ??? ?? ????? ???? ????? ???? ? ????? ?????? ????? ?? ????? ?? ?? ?????? (???????) ?????? ?????? ????? ????? ???? ????????? ?????? ??? ? ?? ???????? ??? ????? ???????."

He is only talking about 70 years of Soviet time, but forgets to see for over a thousand years we have had perso-arabic.  So in which era we had most of our books?

???? ??????? ??? ???? ????? ???? ????? ???????? ????? ???. ?? ??? ??? ???? ????. ???? ?? ?? ?? ????? ???? ???? ??????  ?????: "?? ????? ?????? ???? ?? ???? ????? ? ????? ????? ? ????? ?? ??? ?? ?????? ????? ????? ???


It is over a decade that Tajikistan have become an independat country.  He hasnt started on it upto now, people will ask....... when are you going to start on it then?


?????? ?? ???? ?? ???? ? ???????? ????? ???? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ??? ????? ?? ?? ????? ???? ??????.Yes, off course they need to have technology, but why is Farsi alphabet is going to be an obstacle?


?? ?????? ?? "??? ???? ?????? (?????)" ???? ????? ????????? ?????? ?? ??? ???? ???? ????? ?? ???? ???? ?? ??? ???? ????? ???.

??? ?? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ???? ?????? "??????? ???? ?? ???? ???? ??? ??????? ? ??? ??????? ????????? (??????) ?????? ?? ???? ??????" ?? ????. ?? ?? ????? ????? ???????? ????? ??? ????? ?? ?? ?????? ???? ????? ???? ? ???? ??????? ???? ? ???? ??? ??? ????? ?? ????? ?????.


Here you go, it is called hypocracy.  I have listend to him a few times and he uses the russian words himself.  He is also not fluent in his native language and i noticed he used words in wrong orders, for example i remember one of them, he said Mushkilat ha, instead of Mushkilat.  If he cant correct  himself and be condidant on his own language how can he persuade the others to do so?  Also, talk is not needed from Mr. Rahman, as a president, what can he do to bring positive changes in language apart from Nasihat Hai Padarana?


???? ????? ?????? ?? ??? ???? ????? ?????? ????? ???: "???? ???? ????? ??? ?????? ????? ???? ??? ?? ????? ???? ????? ?? ???? ??? ??????? ??? ? ?????? ???? ????? ?? ????? ???? ?? ????? ?????? ?????? ???? ?? ? ???? ??? ???? ??? ???? ?? ????? ??? ????? ???? ?? ?? ????? ??? ???? ???? ???. ??? ?? ???? ???? ???? ???? ??? ?? ????? ??? ?????? ?????? ? ?????????? ???? ?????? ? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ??? ??? ? ???? ?????? ???."

Hope this is not the same broken Farsi Dari he uses himself!


?? ?????? ????? ?? ????? ????? ????????? ???? ????? ?????? ?? ????? ???? ???? ??????? ???? ??? ???? ???? ?????? ?? ????? "???? ?????? ??? ?????" ?? ????? ?????? ?? ???.

???? ?? ???????? ????? ??? ??? ?? ???? ????? ???? ????? ?? ????????? ?????? ? ?? ???? ?? ???? ????? ???? ???? ?????? ?? ??? ???? ??????? ??? ???? ???? ???? ?? ????? "???? ?????? ??? ?????" ?? ??? ????? ????? ??? ???.


This is sad, the russians use their own langauge on Tajik soil without bothering to learn Tajiki/Farsi.


??? ?? ?????? ???? ?????? ???? ????????? ??? ???? ?????? ????? ???? ???? ? ?????? ????? ??? ????? ?? ???? ?????? ??? ??????? ??? ???? ?? ????? ????????. ???? ?? ????? ???? ?????? ????????? ?? ????? ?? ?? ??? ?? ???? ??? ????? ?? ?????

This reminds me of the Somali people.  That country is called Somalia in the south and in the North the breakaway part of it is called SomaliLand, when i asked a few SomaliLanders that why they have got an English mix in the name of their country.  They said: once we are recognized by international community and the British, we will change it to pure Somali name.  What a foolish idea, as if the British car if they have Land in the name of their country.  The same thing goes to the goverment of Tajikistan.


????? ???? ?? ????? ????? ????????? ?? ???? ??? "???? ??????" ???? "?????" ??? ?? ??????? (??????) ??? ??? ???? ??? ?? ????? ????? ????? ??????? ????? ??? ???? ?? ????? ??????? ?? ??? ????? ????? ????????? ??? ?????? ?? ?? ???? ???? ?????? ?? ??????? ? ?????? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ???? ???? ??? ???.

Mr. Rahman calls the others Tafroqa Andaz, what does he call this?


I have alot of respect for him, but now he has disappointed me.
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« Reply #173 on: July 24, 2008, 05:36:53 AM »

I'm sure you HAD, RK jan. Don't you think the verb must be in the past tense?

As I'd said before, he is not what he seems to be to many Persian-speakers abroad. On the one hand, he wants to build a Persian TV (to keep Iran happy), on the other hand, he's against the Persian script and the real name of our language (for the sake of Russia). He's a silly hypocrite who's hindering the process of the national awareness and progress in Tajikistan.
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« Reply #174 on: July 24, 2008, 05:41:52 AM »

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I'm sure you HAD, RK jan. Don't you think the verb must be in the past tense?

As I'd said before, he is not what he seems to be to many Persian-speakers abroad. On the one hand, he wants to build a Persian TV (to keep Iran happy), on the other hand, he's against the Persian script and the real name of our language (for the sake of Russia). He's a silly hypocrite who's hindering the process of the national awareness and progress in Tajikistan.


Well Kambize Gerami,  not sure about it.  But i definately dont see him in the same eyes as i used to.  He also does not seem to be a clever politician.
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« Reply #175 on: July 24, 2008, 05:45:11 AM »

I remember couple of years ago there was a news in BBC Persian site(I love this site the way they present persian for all farsi speakers) that a minister of the gov of Mr. Rahman was speaking to a high ranking official either from China or Japan, the Chineese or Japanees was speaking in Tajiki/persian the Tajik guy was speaking in Russian.  That is called pure Shame.
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« Reply #176 on: July 24, 2008, 08:09:55 AM »

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Well Kambize Gerami,  not sure about it.  But i definately dont see him in the same eyes as i used to.  He also does not seem to be a clever politician.


Tajikistan does not remember such worthless and vainglorious (narcissistic) lider, as Emomali Rahmon:)
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« Reply #177 on: July 24, 2008, 01:02:34 PM »

Don't curse Rahman. :) Remember about your signature below.

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Tajikistan does not remember such worthless and vainglorious (narcissistic) lider, as Emomali Rahmon:)
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« Reply #178 on: July 24, 2008, 09:24:20 PM »

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don't curse rahman. :) remember about your signature below.

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