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« on: June 14, 2008, 01:13:53 PM »

I had no realtion with Pashtuns and do not understand their language. But I respect them the same way as I respect Indians, Arabs, Africans and many other peoples.

I have this questions for those Tajiks of Afghanistan who either do not like (hate) Pashtun language or see it as a threat to their own.

Is Pashtun Pashtun language that bad that you do not like it? Could you objectively state the reasons for some negative feeling that some of you have towards Pashtuns. (Just fot the sake of knowledge).

For example, we have Uzbeks, peoples of Tajikistan and Uzbekistan in general are not against each other - it is our governments. We would not like visas and barriers in communication. We are for free movement of Transportation and peoples. And I hope that that day will come.

As of our regionalism - The people within Tajikistan are not against each other at all (nowadays). In my university group there were students from ammost all regions of Tajikistan and still are best friends and happy about being Tajik.
Regionalism is slowly becoming a history for us (maybe thanks to civil war).

What are the problems with Pashtuns?
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« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2008, 01:48:48 PM »

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I had no realtion with Pashtuns and do not understand their language. But I respect them the same way as I respect Indians, Arabs, Africans and many other peoples.

I have this questions for those Tajiks of Afghanistan who either do not like (hate) Pashtun language or see it as a threat to their own.

Is Pashtun Pashtun language that bad that you do not like it? Could you objectively state the reasons for some negative feeling that some of you have towards Pashtuns. (Just fot the sake of knowledge).

For example, we have Uzbeks, peoples of Tajikistan and Uzbekistan in general are not against each other - it is our governments. We would not like visas and barriers in communication. We are for free movement of Transportation and peoples. And I hope that that day will come.

As of our regionalism - The people within Tajikistan are not against each other at all (nowadays). In my university group there were students from ammost all regions of Tajikistan and still are best friends and happy about being Tajik.
Regionalism is slowly becoming a history for us (maybe thanks to civil war).

What are the problems with Pashtuns?


Dushanbe,

In Afghanistan Pashto was imposed on people by force and given 'National language status'. Anything that is imposed and is a symbol of exclusion to the majority of the people of Afghanistan will be hated - this is natural. The Pashtunisation policy only served to make people hate Pashto and made a joke out of it through the production of fraudulent historical documents relating to the history of the Pashto language

Indeed there is nothing wrong with Pashto language looked at from the view point of it being just another language. It has been influenced by Persian alot - amongst the very first written works in Pashto were translations of Persian works - by people like Pir Roshan (whom was not a Pashton himself - but wanted to enlighten them).

Indeed Pashto is a member of the Iranic languages and should the day arise when all of these political uses of it are dropped people will view it favourably as part of the Iranic family of languages.

I urge people to separate the Pashto language from the tribalistic culture of most Pashtuns... the tribalism is not Iranic - it is mongolic - and mustbe opposed and eradicated for the good of them and the other neighboring peoples,


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« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2008, 01:56:18 PM »

What does it matter its beautifull or ugly.....but why are we Tajiks of Afghanistan....obligated to learn that **** language?
 
I hate that language because they force it on us....and not the other way round!
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« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2008, 09:22:45 PM »

What about Dari?
Is it being taught in Pashtu language schools? Do they learn it?
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« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2008, 12:38:47 AM »

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What about Dari?
Is it being taught in Pashtu language schools? Do they learn it?


No, in pushtoon areas they teach in Pushtoo language, they have only got one subject which is Dari.
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« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2008, 01:03:46 AM »

If I understood you correctly:

In Pashtoon language schools the students are being taught Dari language as a separate subject.
And in Dari language schools the students are being taught Pashtun language as a separate subject.

Am I right?
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« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2008, 01:44:33 AM »

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If I understood you correctly:

In Pashtoon language schools the students are being taught Dari language as a separate subject.
And in Dari language schools the students are being taught Pashtun language as a separate subject.

Am I right?


Yes, in every area they study in their own language and they have got the other official language as only a subject, i think it is twice a week.  For example: Qandahar is has majority of Pushtoo and they study all their subjects in Pushtoo.  Herat and Kabul are majority Farsi and they study everything in Farsi.
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« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2008, 02:05:13 AM »

Rika khana aziz in Pashtun areas there is no subject for Parsi.
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« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2008, 02:23:43 AM »

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Rika khana aziz in Pashtun areas there is no subject for Parsi.


Dear Gul Agha

are you sure about this? and how about the persian areas?
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« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2008, 02:27:34 AM »

As for me, I believe, since these two languages are official, they should be taught as two main subject. This is the way a nation is built. People need somehow to understand each other
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« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2008, 02:40:54 AM »

There is no need to learn Pashto. Does everyone in Tajikistan learn Yaghnabi or Roshani or Ishkashemi? the answer is no because the Persian speaking population has no need to learn those dialects or languages that have no benefit for the masses. I rather waste my time learning Latin, French, Chinese than Pashto which is understood only by the Pashtuns and which has nothing that I can benefit from it.

having a National language like any other country will lead us to unity and the only language in Afghanistan that has the ability to be NATIONAL is Persian which has always been the lingua franca of Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Iran...etc
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« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2008, 02:55:34 AM »

In Tajikistan the things are different. The number of people who speak Yaghnobi and Ishkashimi and several other Pamiri (Ishkashimi is one of Pamiri languages) languages are thousands only. There are less that 6000 yaghnobi speakers in Tajikistan. These are the signs of Soghdians and Baktrians. By the way, Tajiki Yaghnobi students study their oun language as a separate subject for 2-3 hours a week - because we need to save it. The other languages have no alphabet, not speaking about literature.
But we consider them as part of our culture and hustory.
 
But in Afghanistan Pashtuns are millions.
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« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2008, 03:02:46 AM »

We study Tajik, Russian & English as subjects in our schools.

In Russian schools they study in Russian, Tajik & English as subjects.

In Uzbek schools they study in Uzbek, Tajik+Russian+English as subjects.

But this does not make any of us to change our identity. Uzbeks will remain uzbeks and Tajiks Tajiks. But we are all the citizens of Tajikistan.
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« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2008, 04:29:25 PM »

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As for me, I believe, since these two languages are official, they should be taught as two main subject. This is the way a nation is built. People need somehow to understand each other


Dushanbe,

You sound like Uzbek from Tajikistan. its be cause you are sticking something on side of Parsi lang, and also trying to put uzbak an uzbak , pashton and pashto language, the same level as tajik and Parsi lang.
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« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2008, 07:05:56 PM »

Sorry, but I did not get your point.

I am so saddened about the endless war in our neighbour country. Talibans are not going to stop. Hopefully they will not move further Qandahar.
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