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Posted 26 May 2008 - 06:05 AM

Pashtons are slowly waking up, and it is only a matter of time that inshallah we will get all our rights (land + language).

I hope the admin does not block me just because I am a Pashton (It will only show how weak the tajiks are).





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Posted 26 May 2008 - 06:14 AM

Coming in our site and shouting Loy Pakhtunistan slogans and posting Articles in Pashto(a dead language that only half of the Pashtun people are loyal to and could speak it) shows how weak you are lol not us.

You are welcomed to stay here, because ghools like you and Karim Khurram will become a major factor in our Unity and Nationalism. KEEP IT UP!
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Posted 26 May 2008 - 06:29 AM

Ghorzang,

If you are already awake, wake up to realities as well and tell us in a proper language (that's Persian or English) what it was about.

Gul Aghaye gerami,

I suggest to set a language policy in the forum. Languages spoken in Tajikam.com should be Persian (in both scripts) and English, I assume.
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Posted 26 May 2008 - 07:03 AM

[QUOTE=Gul agha;9527]Coming in our site and shouting Loy Pakhtunistan slogans and posting Articles in Pashto(a dead language that only half of the Pashtun people are loyal to and could speak it) shows how weak you are lol not us.

You are welcomed to stay here, because ghools like you and Karim Khurram will become a major factor in our Unity and Nationalism. KEEP IT UP![/QUOTE]

My topic is a reply to the highlighted part of your post. Unfortunately we do have a lot of Pashtons who are still asleep (like Karzai and Ahadi), but a lot of them are waking up (like Khurram).

You are very welcome to visit the site and read more about Bacha Khan Education Foundation in English. You will have an idea what they are talking about.

"Baacha Khan Trust is a non-profit organization registered in Afghanistan and Pakistan. The aim of the Trust is to promote peace, democracy, human rights, interfaith harmony and empower disadvantaged people through community participation."

Their goal is to build 100 primary schools, 36 high schools, 5 colleges and 1 university in pashton regions of Loy Afghanistan (pashtoonkhwa, fata and baluchistan included) within the next 5 years. Language of education will be only Pashto and English.
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Posted 26 May 2008 - 07:10 AM

How could you combine all those contradictory terms and names in one topic: peace, democracy, human rights, interfaith harmony... and Khurram, Loy Afghanistan, Pashtoonkhwa... lol

The fanatic Gulbedini butcher of culture is your hero. You revealed your true face bacha.

And the name of your foundation is hilarious. Shall I call you Bacha Khan from now on?
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Posted 26 May 2008 - 07:14 AM

If you post one more message in any other language but Persian and English you will be banned.

If you are trying to say something here; use a general language that everyone know that.

This is the forums policy. Not US. We always be kind for everyone; even Afghans.
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Posted 26 May 2008 - 07:35 AM

Ghorzang = Lodhi Dynasty. he is known to be a fascinating Clown entertaining Pakhtuns about a fantasy that will never come true.
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Posted 26 May 2008 - 07:37 AM

Ghorzang in Mastforum:

http://www.mastforum...p?showuser=7899

Are those your own eye-lashes, Ghorzang?
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Posted 26 May 2008 - 07:42 AM

The guy resides in Ontario, Canada:
http://profiles.taki...al.org/ghorzang

Not even in Afghanistan to know contemporary realities of the country.
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Posted 26 May 2008 - 07:45 AM

This Logarai dude fancies reciting poems in an unknown language as well:

http://www.afghanfor...ead.php?t=14598
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Posted 26 May 2008 - 07:52 AM

In that unknown language I found plentiful of known Persian or Persianized words:

Rabanday yay graan de, ka yay dashtay ka yay ghar de
Somra khaista Khkulay Logar de

Ka tajikan aw pakhtana wosegey,
drana qawmoona ahmadzi wosaygey

paktia, kabul pa mainz kay proot de, zarawar de
somra khaista khkulay logar de

de watan zra kay da prata seema da
de ghairatmando pakhana seema da

pakhtanay paighlay, har zalmay yay delawar de
somra khaista khkulay logar de

Shna shna baghoona, sra sra gulaan larey
dair zarawar khkulay zwanan larey
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Posted 26 May 2008 - 09:20 AM

1) Don't come and write in a foreign language that we don't understand. Write in Persian or English.
2) The time that Pushtuns will wake is when they educate themselves and treat their fellow Aryan and also non-Aryan people with respect. As long as there is discrimination, inequality, ethnic-cleansing and various other crimes committed against non-Pushtun population, I think the correct word here would be "continue to live in the dark ages".
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Posted 26 May 2008 - 01:21 PM

Hahaha so this is where you ethno fascists (gul agha, achilles, omaid) gather. I know who Gul agha is, I just want to see Achilles true face in here. :D
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Posted 26 May 2008 - 01:23 PM

[QUOTE=Darius;9552]In that unknown language I found plentiful of known Persian or Persianized words:

Rabanday yay graan de, ka yay dashtay ka yay ghar de
Somra khaista Khkulay Logar de

Ka tajikan aw pakhtana wosegey,
drana qawmoona ahmadzi wosaygey

paktia, kabul pa mainz kay proot de, zarawar de
somra khaista khkulay logar de

de watan zra kay da prata seema da
de ghairatmando pakhana seema da

pakhtanay paighlay, har zalmay yay delawar de
somra khaista khkulay logar de

Shna shna baghoona, sra sra gulaan larey
dair zarawar khkulay zwanan larey[/QUOTE]

graan, dair, zwan, zarawar, khaista are pure pashto words. Today 20% of pashto is farsi according to you and tomorrow you will claim that 80% of pashto is farsi. Pashto is over 5000 years old. It is much older than your Persian or Arabic.
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Posted 26 May 2008 - 01:58 PM

Pashtuns are waking up - I only wish !

Any move by Pashtuns to move away from tribalism ignorance and racism is a good thing. I respect the ideology of Bacha Khan Utmanzai Darwesh Khel Waziri.

The curious thing is that idiot Pashtuns want to use the name of Bacha Khan for their racist policies against to Persians. They seem to think Bacha Khan's ideology will be one and the same as their ethnic cleansing desires and the enforcement of Afghan identity on Khorasan ( present Afghanistan). They cannot be more mistaken.

Bacha represents the movement that sought to remove the ignorance amongst Pashtuns exploited by the British - the ignorance which the upholds the British promoted TRIBALISTIC RACIST ideology of AFGHAN(PASHTUN)-STAN.

This LODHI dynasty fellow is nothing but a low life racist - he is a shame to the ideology of Bacha Khan - like all of Pashtunists in Afghanistan. The twat whom comes from the TURK Khilji slaves has adopted Pashto and thinks he is a descendant of the artificial Amir Kror.

I am in support of anything that moves the Pashtuns away form their MONGLOIC TURKIK tribalism to more civilized IRANIANS. The descendant of Bacha Khan - is called ASFANDYAR WALI KHAN - note the Iranian Shahnamah name of Isfandiyar.


I wish all success to the movement of Bacha Khan - and in the same light wish for the removal of the British created concept of Afghanistan - and restoration to Khorasan.


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Posted 26 May 2008 - 02:20 PM

[QUOTE=Ahhangar;9566]Pashtuns are waking up - I only wish !

Any move by Pashtuns to move away from tribalism ignorance and racism is a good thing. I respect the ideology of Bacha Khan Utmanzai Darwesh Khel Waziri.

The curious thing is that idiot Pashtuns want to use the name of Bacha Khan for their racist policies against to Persians. They seem to think Bacha Khan's ideology will be one and the same as their ethnic cleansing desires and the enforcement of Afghan identity on Khorasan ( present Afghanistan). They cannot be more mistaken.

Bacha represents the movement that sought to remove the ignorance amongst Pashtuns exploited by the British - the ignorance which the upholds the British promoted TRIBALISTIC RACIST ideology of AFGHAN(PASHTUN)-STAN.

This LODHI dynasty fellow is nothing but a low life racist - he is a shame to the ideology of Bacha Khan - like all of Pashtunists in Afghanistan. The twat whom comes from the TURK Khilji slaves has adopted Pashto and thinks he is a descendant of the artificial Amir Kror.

I am in support of anything that moves the Pashtuns away form their MONGLOIC TURKIK tribalism to more civilized IRANIANS. The descendant of Bacha Khan - is called ASFANDYAR WALI KHAN - note the Iranian Shahnamah name of Isfandiyar.


I wish all success to the movement of Bacha Khan - and in the same light wish for the removal of the British created concept of Afghanistan - and restoration to Khorasan.


Ahhangar.[/QUOTE]

Well said brother Ahhangar
I wish that pashtuns and tajiks wake up from their ignorance and work together. Any racist notions should be removed from among us. As Bacha Khan had a humanist message also Mawlana had a humanist message. Mawlana never preached racism against anybody. As Mawlana says "Come, come again, whoever you are, come! Heathen, fire worshipper or idolatrous, come! Come even if you broke your penitence a hundred times, Ours is the portal of hope, come as you are." His doctrine advocates unlimited tolerance, positive reasoning, goodness, charity and awareness through love. To him and to his disciples all religions are more or less truth. Looking with the same eye on Muslim, Jew and Christian alike, his peaceful and tolerant teaching has appealed to men of all sects and creeds. So Mr Ghorzang respect men of piety like Mawlana so you may learn something from him. It shouldn't matter if he was persian or not, you should accept him as he accepted you.
There is a saying those who don't learn from their past mistakes are bound to repeat it" If you claim to follow great men like Rahman Baba then you must act accordingly meaning respect others otherwise you are not one of their followers or among those great men. I hope you don't mind this lecture Mr Ghorzang. There is no excuse for racism or bad behavior even if the other side as racist.
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Posted 26 May 2008 - 06:13 PM

[QUOTE=Ghorzang;9563]graan, dair, zwan, zarawar, khaista are pure pashto words. Today 20% of pashto is farsi according to you and tomorrow you will claim that 80% of pashto is farsi. Pashto is over 5000 years old. It is much older than your Persian or Arabic.[/QUOTE]

Not 20%. Make it 100%. Pashto words are purely Persian. Most of them derive from Avestan. And as you know, that's the mother of our Persian. That means you are speaking in a totally Iranian language.
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Posted 26 May 2008 - 10:49 PM

Although Avestan is the oldest known Iranian language, it is not a direct ancestor of modern Persian. The latter is derived from the vernacular tongue of the Achamaenean kings, which we know from the numerous cuneiform inscriptions they left behind. Although this language is closely related to Avestan (and particularly the form found in the later Avestan texts), they were subtly different, and belonged to different branches of the Iranian language family, as seen from the examples below:

Avestan Old Persian Sanskrit Meaning
p pi pa Water
pu?ra pua putra son
zasta dasta hasta hand
danta dandn danta tooth
Middle Iranian languages descended from Avestan included Sogdian, Khotanese (or Scythian), Khwarezmian or Chorasmian, Bactrian (which displays the closest affinity to Avestan), Pashto, and Ossetic. All except Pashto and Ossetic swiftly followed their parent into extinction.
[QUOTE=Darius;9576]Not 20%. Make it 100%. Pashto words are purely Persian. Most of them derive from Avestan. And as you know, that's the mother of our Persian. That means you are speaking in a totally Iranian language.[/QUOTE]
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Posted 26 May 2008 - 11:54 PM

Despite the fact that Avestan is known as an Eastern Iranian language it is really difficult to tell where the borders lie between Avestan and Old Persian. Even in the terms provided by you similarity is striking. Wiki says:

"Avestan is usually classified as Eastern Iranian. However, because the separation of Eastern and Western Iranian is poorly understood, and because there is no attestation of an Iranian language contemporary to Avestan, as well as because of the defective tradition of the Avestan texts, the validity, or even applicability, of this classification is uncertain.

For example, Avestan jwa "live" is cited as closer to Sogdian w, Khotanian juv- than to Old Persian j?va, but phonological Eastern characteristics of Avestan such as this one have been suspected of being due to a phase of the historical tradition of the texts rather than an original feature of Avestan itself."

Anyhow, we know that the term is conditional and our ancestors might have never called their native tongue 'Avestan'.

Achamaenean kings are not the only ancestors of our modern Persian tongue. As you might know, the very first Persian poems were recited in Central Asian part of Iran, such as: Az Khottalan amadhia, Ba ru tabah amadhia, dating back to the 7th century, followed by classic Persian poems from the same region. Persian contains thousands of transformed Soghdian, Khorezmian, Bactrian and Khotanian words as well. It's actually the continuation of our common Iranian language.


[QUOTE=Nader Shah;9579]Although Avestan is the oldest known Iranian language, it is not a direct ancestor of modern Persian. The latter is derived from the vernacular tongue of the Achamaenean kings, which we know from the numerous cuneiform inscriptions they left behind. Although this language is closely related to Avestan (and particularly the form found in the later Avestan texts), they were subtly different, and belonged to different branches of the Iranian language family, as seen from the examples below:

Avestan Old Persian Sanskrit Meaning
p pi pa Water
pu?ra pua putra son
zasta dasta hasta hand
danta dandn danta tooth
Middle Iranian languages descended from Avestan included Sogdian, Khotanese (or Scythian), Khwarezmian or Chorasmian, Bactrian (which displays the closest affinity to Avestan), Pashto, and Ossetic. All except Pashto and Ossetic swiftly followed their parent into extinction.[/QUOTE]
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Posted 30 May 2008 - 04:54 PM

[QUOTE=shinno;9569]Well said brother Ahhangar
I wish that pashtuns and tajiks wake up from their ignorance and work together. Any racist notions should be removed from among us. As Bacha Khan had a humanist message also Mawlana had a humanist message. Mawlana never preached racism against anybody. As Mawlana says "Come, come again, whoever you are, come! Heathen, fire worshipper or idolatrous, come! Come even if you broke your penitence a hundred times, Ours is the portal of hope, come as you are." His doctrine advocates unlimited tolerance, positive reasoning, goodness, charity and awareness through love. To him and to his disciples all religions are more or less truth. Looking with the same eye on Muslim, Jew and Christian alike, his peaceful and tolerant teaching has appealed to men of all sects and creeds. So Mr Ghorzang respect men of piety like Mawlana so you may learn something from him. It shouldn't matter if he was persian or not, you should accept him as he accepted you.
There is a saying those who don't learn from their past mistakes are bound to repeat it" If you claim to follow great men like Rahman Baba then you must act accordingly meaning respect others otherwise you are not one of their followers or among those great men. I hope you don't mind this lecture Mr Ghorzang. There is no excuse for racism or bad behavior even if the other side as racist.[/QUOTE]

Pls, dont talk from your backside like your homo and criminal babas. Lets say it like that: Wish the Non-PigToons wake up and kill you everywhere they meet you. Thats what AnAryans of tribalic Dajjals and Dosakhzais need,
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