[Azar_Khorasani]

The Democracy
That Karzai Provides

Mr. Latif Pedram, a poet, author of many books and the leader of National Congress Party of Afghanistan has been under house arrest for the past couple months, furthermore now the government has banned his political party.

As we are getting close to the next presidential election President Hamid Karzai and his favored political party Afghan Mellat, a pro Pashtun nationalistic movement, has been creating problems for their biggest rival Dr. Pedram.
Karzai wants to discredit Dr Pedram to ruin his chances of winning the next election

Latif Pedram was positioned de facto under house arrest, in a house delimited by the police and security forces from the Ministry of Interior, by order of the Attorney General. The former particularly forbade him to leave the country for having allegedly witnessed an altercation between two Afghani political personalities. Latif Pedram had merely been asked to facilitate the discussion between these two politicians.

The case of house arrest appeared to be not strong enough to pull Pedram away from next year presidential election, although there is a new conspiracy is going on.

An Afghan German citizen Abdul Khaliq Noori, a Former communist, Pro Taliban and the current member of Afghan Mellat party, modified Pedram’s voice in an audio clip where it called former king Amanullah Khan a criminal.

While being interviewed on Khorasan TV, Dr Pedram claimed that the former King illegally distributed other ethnics' lands to his Pashtun people in northern and central Afghanistan during his time. Nevertheless the clip had been taken from Pedram’s speech modified and cut.

Amanullah Khan, who assassinated his father, King Habibullah On February 20, 1919, and took the kingdom from him, has been known for defeating the British and keeping independence of its foreign affairs from the United Kingdom.

July 24 2008, Shamshad TV, a pro Afghan Mellat Party channel, broadcast Pedram’s modified audio clip and accused him of disrespecting the former pro nationalist Pashtun king. The clip has been transferred around the country provoking the nationalist Pashtun residents to march against Pedram’s comment.

July 26, people were being paid by the Afghan Mellat party to demonstrate against Pedram in Ohatkhel, a Pashtun village near Kabul city.
Afghan Mellat members are also protesting in Jalalabad and Herat cities as well. Jalalabad protesters asked Kabul government to jail Latif Pedram or Pashtun youths would take action against Pedram directly.

In a meeting by tribesmen in Paktia province on July 28, the Pashtun tribesmen said they would pay two hundred thousand dollars to anyone who can kill Dr. Latif Pedram. they accused Dr. Pedram for disrespected their Former King.

On July 27, The Government Minister for Parliamentary Affairs published a statement where they banned the Latif Pedram political party from any type of activities. The statement also said that nobody has the right to comment about any politicians, former kings, president and Jihadist leaders.

Latif Pedram, an ethnic Tajik Federalist and a Modern Secular Leader has been supported and admired by the many people especially youth, he subsequently moved from Europe to Afghanistan following September 11, terrorist attack in the US.

2005, Latif Pedram electrified a lackluster campaign by plummeting into the matrimonial politics of Islam: posing challenging questions about the right of Afghan men to have several wives and about women's divorce rights.
The reaction to his ideas was tectonic. The Supreme Court of Afghanistan accused him of blasphemy and sought his expulsion from the race and many Pashtun radical leaders called on him to be hung. But the body organizing elections for the government and United Nations refused to strike him from the ballot.

Dr. Pedram has received many international awards, such as The Prix Hellman-Helmet (Hellman-Helmet Prize) by Human Rights Watch in July 1999 and a special grant from Reporters sans Frontières in December 1998. Although despondently in a country where almost of all of the citizens are being brainwashed by Islamic fundamentalists and tribalism, it is not very easy for such a leader to reach his modernization goals quickly and without any headache.

[Kamyar]

His party has been banned? He has been under house arrest?

What the hell is going on?

Why is there no outrage over this on the Afghanistani media such as Tolo TV?

Why are Tajiks not protesting against all this?

I've had it with Afghanistan! This is a shame and disgrace to the word democracy! This is still a fascist state more than ever!

All we have is a few human rights groups protesting this, but what about anyone else?

[Kamyar]

These Paktiawals and other Ghilzais were the ones that went to war with Amanullah Khan and they are protesting in support of him? Just because he is Pashtun? These turbaned tribal leaders don't have a thing in common with Amanalluh Khan other then being Pashtun which is a fake ethnicity. Latif Pedram has more in common with Amanullah Khan than these tribals.

Why are these people so damn stupid?

[TajMahal]

Nothing will happen. Banning his party means bringing back the facist periodes back and banning democracy. I´m sure Mr. Pedram is aware of these idiots Pakhtunwals or whatever they are. These people are all fake. Even in Herat and Kabul, Tajik regions, they protest against him. I think if someone hurt him Pashtuns will also get hurt. if Pashtuns take actions againt him we will take actions against these Taliban and Arab slaves here in the western world and in Afghanistan. Everyone can see the plans of these sick people. They want again bring their tribalic laws to Afghanistan and rule as a minority over a peaceful majority. Tajiks and other ethnics shouldn´t accept that.

[dokhtare pulegun]

Omg! Look what I found while browsing Facebook...

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Hundreds of residents of Nangarhar Province protest against racist comments allegedly made by Latif PedramHundreds of residents of Nangarhar Province came out on to the streets of Jalalabad on Wednesday to protest against racist and derogatory comments against Afghan national personalities and historical values.Recently, a sound recording has been circulating which was brought to the attention of media organizations containing various derogatory and racists comments against Pashtoons and former king of Afghanistan Amir Amanullah Khan.The recording which is alleged to be the voice of Latif Pedram, the chief of Kangara-e Mili Party, a political party based in Afghanistan.These protesters demanded that the government arrest Latif Pedram for defaming a national and historic personality and to file charges against him for inciting racial taunts.They also demanded that his political party be dissolved.m A spokesperson for the Kangara-e Milli Party, Bashir Bezhan, yesterday told Quqnoos.com that this whole affair is a plot against the party and the voice of Latif Pedram has been tampered with.While the voice in the recording sounds like that of Latif Pedram, Quqnoos.com cannot independently confirm if the sound has been tampered with or if it in fact belongs to Latif Pedram.Deputy of the provincial council of Nangarhar, Moulwi Abudul Aziz Khair Khwah, said that Pedram is an atheist and has publicly defamed national heroes many times in the past.The President of the Union of Journalists (Eastern Zone), Lal Padshah Azmoon, requested that the media not to be silent on this issue.He added that the government was unable to take action against Pedram, therefore; Pashtoon youths will take action against Pedram directly.Some members of parliament also condemned these assertions allegedly made by Latif Pedram and termed them irresponsible.Amir Amanullah Khan was a national Afghan personality and is a hero to many Afghans.He was actively involved in the third Afghan-British War which lead to the final independence of Afghanistan from Britain.He was ultimately successful in integrating all tribes in what is now Afghanistan under his banner.He also promulgated the first Afghan Constitution which ensured various liberties to citizens.His vision was to bring Afghanistan into the 20th century through adoption of modern technologies of the time which had much in common with Attatuk’s vision for Turkey at the time.He is known as a ‘Ghazi’ for his efforts on the battlefield and beyond.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied. In this case Pedram is 100% in denial. This dog participated in K-AFG interview with that rat Ali M. Nazary and on live tv he insulted Amanullah Khan.One thing is for sure if the government is unable to take action against Pedram, therefore; we Pashtuns will take action against Pedram directly.

The bolded is what the person who posted this said. WTF! "We Pashtuns will take action against Pedram directly"...wow. So the guy thinks he's part of some gang does he?

[Ghorzang]

[QUOTE=dokhtare pulegun;12645]Omg! Look what I found while browsing Facebook...



The bolded is what the person who posted this said. WTF! "We Pashtuns will take action against Pedram directly"...wow. So the guy thinks he's part of some gang does he?[/QUOTE]

Forget about the guy from facebook.

Like I mentioned in another topic, there is a $200,000 bounty on his head. Paktiawals warned the government few days ago, if they don't take any actions than the case will be solved by Pashtoon youth. Now the businessmen and other paktiawals will pay $200,000 to the assasin of Pedram.

[Ghorzang]

[QUOTE=Kamyar;12634]His party has been banned? He has been under house arrest?

What the hell is going on?

Why is there no outrage over this on the Afghanistani media such as Tolo TV?

Why are Tajiks not protesting against all this?

I've had it with Afghanistan! This is a shame and disgrace to the word democracy! This is still a fascist state more than ever!

All we have is a few human rights groups protesting this, but what about anyone else?[/QUOTE]

Where is democracy in IRAN? If you don't have any rights in Iran than what makes you think you will have rights in the land of AFGHANS? If you want democracy, than you should first bring it in Iran-Tajikistan, and than worry about Afghanistan.

Where was your democracy when they arrested Naseer Fayaz 2 days ago (jornalist from Ariana TV)? Where was your democracy when they the butcher Dostum kidnapped Akbar Bai and beat him in his house and not to forget, Mr. Pedram was with Dostum at that time.

[Ghorzang]

[QUOTE=TajMahal;12636]Nothing will happen. Banning his party means bringing back the facist periodes back and banning democracy. I´m sure Mr. Pedram is aware of these idiots Pakhtunwals or whatever they are. These people are all fake. Even in Herat and Kabul, Tajik regions, they protest against him. I think if someone hurt him Pashtuns will also get hurt. if Pashtuns take actions againt him we will take actions against these Taliban and Arab slaves here in the western world and in Afghanistan. Everyone can see the plans of these sick people. They want again bring their tribalic laws to Afghanistan and rule as a minority over a peaceful majority. Tajiks and other ethnics shouldn´t accept that.[/QUOTE]

Keep dreaming
by the way why are you not taking any actions against Pakhtunwals? do you just talk or you seriously take any actions? or you are going to take actions when you are wrapped in a white coffin?

[Azar_Khorasani]

[QUOTE=Ghorzang;12650]Forget about the guy from facebook.

Like I mentioned in another topic, there is a $200,000 bounty on his head. Paktiawals warned the government few days ago, if they don't take any actions than the case will be solved by Pashtoon youth. Now the businessmen and other paktiawals will pay $200,000 to the assasin of Pedram.[/QUOTE]

yeah like Paktiwal did it to Shaikh Osama for doing their women in every house that he hides at night.

[Sohrab]

The only reason people are not defending him is his vulgar langauge. A head of a political party does not act like this. Very immature and silly. Neitether us, nor our politicians have been clever, this is the reason the Pushtoons have greatly taken advantage of this. We always do or say something that undermine our legitimate rights.

[Ghorzang]

[QUOTE=Azar_Khorasani;12653]yeah like Paktiwal did it to Shaikh Osama for doing their women in every house that he hides at night.[/QUOTE]

Is that it?

[Balkhi]

[QUOTE=Ghorzang;12650]Forget about the guy from facebook.

Like I mentioned in another topic, there is a $200,000 bounty on his head. Paktiawals warned the government few days ago, if they don't take any actions than the case will be solved by Pashtoon youth. Now the businessmen and other paktiawals will pay $200,000 to the assasin of Pedram.[/QUOTE]

Haha Paktiawal and Businessman…talk about an oxymoron. Those four legged people of tribe can’t walk on two legs, let alone run a business and become a “businessman”.

If theirs is even a slightest of a scratch to Pedram’s ass, then shit will really hit the fan in Afghanistan. Mujeeb Ludin, you and your k-mader Stanikzai father in law sitting in Waterloo cannot even comprehend the repercussions of such a stupid move.

I dare, in fact I will pay another $100,000 to the assassin to assassinate him, coz ohh man… LOL Even if there is a slight scratch to Pedram’s ass or an even attempt, then every Pashto women kishtaq in Kabul will be invaded like your Stanikzai fiancés kishtaq was invaded by every Afghan residing in Waterloo.

[IPS]

[QUOTE=dokhtare pulegun;12645]Omg! Look what I found while browsing Facebook...



The bolded is what the person who posted this said. WTF! "We Pashtuns will take action against Pedram directly"...wow. So the guy thinks he's part of some gang does he?[/QUOTE]


da qoute was by a facebook warrior Turan Kakar, he live in Calgory Alberta. Here his picture:



his the grandson of one Nadir Shah's favourite ass wipers Bahuddin k-mader Kakar:

[Ahhangar]

Guys,

Stop all of this nonsense.

Pedram - if he really believes in what he said and is a man of his word - should come out and declare in public that it was him who said that statement about Amanulaah Khan. The more open he is about it and the more forceful - the more impact he will have and the more the jerk government will be scared of him.

If he is killed by some low life tribal - all the better - it will be great for increasing the impact of his message - and there will instantly be created 100rds of new Pidrams.

Kongre Melli should stop it's stupid denials.

Ahhangar

[Sohrab]

[QUOTE=Ahhangar;12673]Guys,

Stop all of this nonsense.

Pedram - if he really believes in what he said and is a man of his word - should come out and declare in public that it was him who said that statement about Amanulaah Khan. The more open he is about it and the more forceful - the more impact he will have and the more the jerk government will be scared of him.

If he is killed by some low life tribal - all the better - it will be great for increasing the impact of his message - and there will instantly be created 100rds of new Pidrams.

Kongre Melli should stop it's stupid denials.

Ahhangar[/QUOTE]

Dear Ahhangar,

I do not think he is denying what he says about Ammanullah khan, he is basically denying the vulgar language. If he really used that language, i consider him the most stupid person.

[Parsistani]

Who cares how these rats pay for his head. We will pay for everyone 150 000 that bring us the head of Kharzi and the other including this dog above. Let´s see what they will do. Mayzam should be warned that these dogs will also look for him.

[Sohrab]

[QUOTE=Parsistani;12675] We will pay for everyone 150 000 that bring us the head of Kharzi and the other including this dog above. [/QUOTE]

who is paying this 150 000 for every head?

[Ahhangar]

[QUOTE=Unity;12674]Dear Ahhangar,

I do not think he is denying what he says about Ammanullah khan, he is basically denying the vulgar language. If he really used that language, i consider him the most stupid person.[/QUOTE]

That is what I mean. He should admit in public that he used that foul language - and be a man about it. The scumbags on Paltalk that allowed this to be recorded and then released onto the internet should be the focus for tracking enemies of Tajiks.

I suspect that Pidram was invited into a private room - not open to the public in Paltalk - and then encouraged in the talks to become emotional - and recorded. I think it was done by people whom regularly pretend that they are Tajiks on Paltalk when infact they are not Tajiks - but the enemy of Tajiks - whom want to misuse Tajiks for their own anti Tajik cause.

Pidram is indeed stupid for falling into this trap - he should be a man about it.



Ahhangar

[Mahasti]

[quote=IPS;12666]da qoute was by a facebook warrior Turan Kakar, he live in Calgory Alberta. Here his picture:



[/quote]
He is not looking bad, lol.

[quote=Unity;12662]The only reason people are not defending him is his vulgar langauge. A head of a political party does not act like this. Very immature and silly. Neitether us, nor our politicians have been clever, this is the reason the Pushtoons have greatly taken advantage of this. We always do or say something that undermine our legitimate rights.[/quote]

Unity,

You are absolutly right. Latif Pedram is not a good politician at all. Using vulgar words makes him good-for-nothing. Besides, he shouldn't be so direct, he should use political tricks.

[Ghorzang]

[QUOTE=Balkhi;12665]Haha Paktiawal and Businessman…talk about an oxymoron. Those four legged people of tribe can’t walk on two legs, let alone run a business and become a “businessman”.

If theirs is even a slightest of a scratch to Pedram’s ass, then shit will really hit the fan in Afghanistan. Mujeeb Ludin, you and your k-mader Stanikzai father in law sitting in Waterloo cannot even comprehend the repercussions of such a stupid move.

I dare, in fact I will pay another $100,000 to the assassin to assassinate him, coz ohh man… LOL Even if there is a slight scratch to Pedram’s ass or an even attempt, then every Pashto women kishtaq in Kabul will be invaded like your Stanikzai fiancés kishtaq was invaded by every Afghan residing in Waterloo. [/QUOTE]

Now, you are a true son of Pedram. All you can do is use vulgar language. So this is the type of people that are going to be the defender and guardians of Khorasan zameen. Worst than that, people like you call us pashtons uncivilized tribals.

PS: I was banned for no reason, but when some of these members are swearing and using vulgar language in half of their posts, they are still roaming around freely. How can you guys fight for democracy in the land of Afghans, when you don't have democracy at your forum?