[United Hazara Uzbek Tajik]

what problems are created this "Durand line" ??
when it was marked the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan,so we must accept it!!!!!!
accepting the border (Durand line) is in favour of all Hazaras,Uzbeks and Tajiks.
(Long Life Hazara,Uzbek And Tajik Unity)
So what is your opinion? lets start a coooool discussion.

[shabir]

United Hazara Uzbek Tajik, on 09 October 2009 - 06:34 AM, said:

what problems are created this "Durand line" ??
when it was marked the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan,so we must accept it!!!!!!
accepting the border (Durand line) is in favour of all Hazaras,Uzbeks and Tajiks.
(Long Life Hazara,Uzbek And Tajik Unity)
So what is your opinion? lets start a coooool discussion.

wouldnt we want to be united with all persian countries around us? exactly samewise goes for pashtuns who want their land back which they themselves gave away. but large part of our problem is indeed durrand line which can be solved once we recognize it. pakistan 'll never let that land go even if they 've to kill off all those pashtuns there or afghans & remember what they did to bangladeshis & balochis when they wanted their own land. pakistan cannot afford to let nwfp go 'cause then it 'll become much easier for india or any other enemy to attack them. we indeed should recognize that line & let the past be past & concentrate on our present & future. I just dont understand why pashtuns dont merge their parts with pakistan if they love their other pashtuns that much?

[United Hazara Uzbek Tajik]

shabir, on 09 October 2009 - 11:11 AM, said:

wouldnt we want to be united with all persian countries around us? exactly samewise goes for pashtuns who want their land back which they themselves gave away. but large part of our problem is indeed durrand line which can be solved once we recognize it. pakistan 'll never let that land go even if they 've to kill off all those pashtuns there or afghans & remember what they did to bangladeshis & balochis when they wanted their own land. pakistan cannot afford to let nwfp go 'cause then it 'll become much easier for india or any other enemy to attack them. we indeed should recognize that line & let the past be past & concentrate on our present & future. I just dont understand why pashtuns dont merge their parts with pakistan if they love their other pashtuns that much?

1)which they themselves gave away.
2)which can be solved once we recognize it.
this is all the mistakes of Pashatins(Abdur Rehman"Lanatullah")who sold the land in greed to not loss his kingdom and against of few trades. So when you marked the border between afghanistan and pakistan, how you can demand it back to erase the border. it is a nonsense!!!!
the Durand line is a perminent BORDER between AFGHANISTAN and PAKISTAN.
if Pashatins want to live arround both sides of the border then it is well and good OTHERWISE GO TO HELL.
Due to these savage pashatins all the country is burning..........

[shabir]

United Hazara Uzbek Tajik, on 09 October 2009 - 11:50 AM, said:

1)which they themselves gave away.
2)which can be solved once we recognize it.
this is all the mistakes of Pashatins(Abdur Rehman"Lanatullah")who sold the land in greed to not loss his kingdom and against of few trades. So when you marked the border between afghanistan and pakistan, how you can demand it back to erase the border. it is a nonsense!!!!
the Durand line is a perminent BORDER between AFGHANISTAN and PAKISTAN.
if Pashatins want to live arround both sides of the border then it is well and good OTHERWISE GO TO HELL.
Due to these savage pashatins all the country is burning..........

well, pashtuns claim they 've only given the land away permenantly in order to keep uk away from afghanistan but pakistanis say that the land was sold to uk so its still an complicated case. on one hand the emir did a good job for getting rid of millions of pashtuns but who knew it 'll go to this extend? & its a huge land for pakistan & them pashtuns should stop moaning & just recognize the land otherwise together with them we tajiks, hazaras & etc 'll also be wiped away. since usa can do anything in afghanistan, why cant they compell the pashtuns to recognize the line or just add the south of afghanistan to pakistan & leave the rest alone? shouldnt be that hard isnt it?

[United Hazara Uzbek Tajik]

shabir, on 09 October 2009 - 11:55 AM, said:

well, pashtuns claim they 've only given the land away permenantly in order to keep uk away from afghanistan but pakistanis say that the land was sold to uk so its still an complicated case. on one hand the emir did a good job for getting rid of millions of pashtuns but who knew it 'll go to this extend? & its a huge land for pakistan & them pashtuns should stop moaning & just recognize the land otherwise together with them we tajiks, hazaras & etc 'll also be wiped away. since usa can do anything in afghanistan, why cant they compell the pashtuns to recognize the line or just add the south of afghanistan to pakistan & leave the rest alone? shouldnt be that hard isnt it?

Why we (Hazara,Uzbek and Tajik) split the southren part of the country!!!! !!!!! and allow it to become the part of pakistan.
this entire country belongs to us so if any one want to live with us then we welcome otherwise leave the country and go for such a place where they can feel comfortable. and 2ndly pakistan never aacept this purposal to accept the southern part of afghanistan because in this case the population of these savege and barbaric pashatins will be more then Pujabis. the solution is that DURAND LINE IS THE PERMINENT BORDER AMONG AFGHANISTAN AND PAKISTAN. in this case pakistani influences will be stopped in our country and their will be not such an intrest for Pakistani ISI Agency.

[shabir]

United Hazara Uzbek Tajik, on 09 October 2009 - 12:22 PM, said:

Why we (Hazara,Uzbek and Tajik) split the southren part of the country!!!! !!!!! and allow it to become the part of pakistan.
this entire country belongs to us so if any one want to live with us then we welcome otherwise leave the country and go for such a place where they can feel comfortable. and 2ndly pakistan never aacept this purposal to accept the southern part of afghanistan because in this case the population of these savege and barbaric pashatins will be more then Pujabis. the solution is that DURAND LINE IS THE PERMINENT BORDER AMONG AFGHANISTAN AND PAKISTAN. in this case pakistani influences will be stopped in our country and their will be not such an intrest for Pakistani ISI Agency.

pakistan 'll be more than happy to take our southern part as they want to extend the seize of their country. to say usbeks got more right on afghanistan than pashtuns is quiet laughable but lets just skip that part. u know very well that pashtuns 'll never leave the land they 're in to whoever & now the question to us is: do we want to lose millions of lives in order to brush away pashtuns from south? or do we just want to give them souther bit & get over & done with them? u know what a war against them can mean & even tho parting north & south right now is like a dream, there's still a glimpse of hope for us

[United Hazara Uzbek Tajik]

[quote name='shabir' date='09 October 2009 - 12:29 PM' timestamp='1255091381' post='13829']
pakistan 'll be more than happy to take our southern part as they want to extend the seize of their country. to say usbeks got more right on afghanistan than pashtuns is quiet laughable but lets just skip that part. u know very well that pashtuns 'll never leave the land they 're in to whoever & now the question to us is: do we want to lose millions of lives in order to brush away pashtuns from south? or do we just want to give them souther bit & get over &
hahahahahahahaha it seems u are hesitating me from Pashatins. Tuff!!!! Pashatins.
U Pashatins are nothing except Puppets or agents and to work for other countries like paki,UK or Saudi here in Our Country Afghanistan.
It is ur DREAM that PAKISTAN WILL ACCEPT THE SOUTHREN PART of our country, there is no way ...... if the are creating problems for afghanistan totally due to Durand line and not to Capturing the whole country or southren part. The Punjabis of Pakistan will never do such a mistake to increase the population of Damn terrorst taliban pashatins................. they are much cleverer then beyound the boundry of ur thought. that's why they are call Black English(Punjabis).

[shabir]

[quote name='United Hazara Uzbek Tajik' date='09 October 2009 - 12:48 PM' timestamp='1255092503' post='13832']

shabir, on 09 October 2009 - 12:29 PM, said:

pakistan 'll be more than happy to take our southern part as they want to extend the seize of their country. to say usbeks got more right on afghanistan than pashtuns is quiet laughable but lets just skip that part. u know very well that pashtuns 'll never leave the land they 're in to whoever & now the question to us is: do we want to lose millions of lives in order to brush away pashtuns from south? or do we just want to give them souther bit & get over &
hahahahahahahaha it seems u are hesitating me from Pashatins. Tuff!!!! Pashatins.
U Pashatins are nothing except Puppets or agents and to work for other countries like paki,UK or Saudi here in Our Country Afghanistan.
It is ur DREAM that PAKISTAN WILL ACCEPT THE SOUTHREN PART of our country, there is no way ...... if the are creating problems for afghanistan totally due to Durand line and not to Capturing the whole country or southren part. The Punjabis of Pakistan will never do such a mistake to increase the population of Damn terrorst taliban pashatins................. they are much cleverer then beyound the boundry of ur thought. that's why they are call Black English(Punjabis).

then why dont u come up with a master plan my usbek friend? what u want to do about our situation & how do u want to do it? please enlighten me

[United Hazara Uzbek Tajik]

shabir, on 09 October 2009 - 12:53 PM, said:

ame='United Hazara Uzbek Tajik' date='09 October 2009 - 12:48 PM' timestamp='1255092503' post='13832']

then why dont u come up with a master plan my usbek friend? what u want to do about our situation & how do u want to do it? please enlighten me

THE SOLUTION IS DURAND LINE IS THE PERMINENT BORDER BETWEEN AFGHANISTAN AND PAKISTAN. and never claim again on this border.As pakistan needs her sovernity in the form of Todays Pakistan having four provinces, and Pakistan can do every thing for her sovernity, She can destroy The Afghanistan as we saw in the past in the form of (Mujahidin and leter on by forming Talibans) to destroy our country and created fights among all ethincs(Hazara,Uzbek,Tajik and Pashatins). so its our(Hazara,Uzbek andTajik)'s duty to reject any kind of claim about Durand line. and never vote the pashatins against such bill if it passes in parlement.
In this way we can save the bloodshid in Afghanistan.
since it is not our(Hazara,Uzbek and Tajik) problem so we have never to faour pashatins in such issue.
LONG LIFE Hazara,Uzbek and Tajik Unity

[shabir]

United Hazara Uzbek Tajik, on 09 October 2009 - 01:20 PM, said:

THE SOLUTION IS DURAND LINE IS THE PERMINENT BORDER BETWEEN AFGHANISTAN AND PAKISTAN. and never claim again on this border.As pakistan needs her sovernity in the form of Todays Pakistan having four provinces, and Pakistan can do every thing for her sovernity, She can destroy The Afghanistan as we saw in the past in the form of (Mujahidin and leter on by forming Talibans) to destroy our country and created fights among all ethincs(Hazara,Uzbek,Tajik and Pashatins). so its our(Hazara,Uzbek andTajik)'s duty to reject any kind of claim about Durand line. and never vote the pashatins against such bill if it passes in parlement.
In this way we can save the bloodshid in Afghanistan.
since it is not our(Hazara,Uzbek and Tajik) problem so we have never to faour pashatins in such issue.
LONG LIFE Hazara,Uzbek and Tajik Unity

why 're u repeating my words? this is exactly what I said. as long as we dont make sure our politicians accept the durrand line peace 'll never arrive in afghanistan. our government still is talking about durrand line which showed they still havent learned anything about pakistan. fighting for durrand line is in nones favour & before pashtuns even think of reclaiming nwfp they should first stabilize the land they already 've, before they lose those lands as well. why else u think I lost hope in our so called unity? simply 'cause we 'll never agree on anything

[United Hazara Uzbek Tajik]

Don't loose ur self Mr.Shabir...... have a faith in the unity of Hazaras,Uzbek and Tajik.
as we have proved our unity in the form of Northren Alliance.
Togather we can change impossible to possible but singaly the possible even will be impossible for all of us(Hazara,Uzbek and Tajik).
Cheers!!!!!

[shabir]

're bashardost, abdullah & dostum united then? isnt dostum supporting an pashtun? isnt bashardost being supported by pashtuns? isnt karzai very smartly trying to get all ethnic votes of afghanistan? every ethnic is busy with their own lives & as I said, we cant rely on usbeks or hazaras. we 've to make our own way & stabilize ourselves first before anything else. once we 're stable & usbeks & hazaras see how far we tajiks got, only then we 'll be able to attract their attention towards ourselves. I am glad abdullah abdullah is very independent & he doesnt use any pashtun or usbek or hazara to win votes of other ethnics as well. wish we had more like him

[tajik kabuli]

Number one fore the United hazara uzbek guy who said that we should give southern Afghnistan to pakistan. Why is that my friend that is a spit to the face of Afghanistan when you say that, and it is a victory for Pakistan because they indeed will take the land. And also southern Afghanistan isnt just Pushtuns ther are also important and ancient Tajik concentrations in Kandhar, Helmand etc. What you should be saying my friend is that we should all work towards reconciliation and build our great nation that is Afghanistan which has such great history. They are also uzbek and hazara people in southern Afghanistan aswell so you should be cinsidering that aswell my friend.

Early you also stated that we have faith in Uzbek Tajik Hazara unity as the Nothern Alliacen proved but this wasnt ther case in the early 90s heb wahdat committed massacres against the tajik population of Kabul and this has been proven by human rights organization, and similar has also happened among other ethncities. The most important thing is that we should execute all warlords and educate you youth.

[tajik kabuli]

In other words we should accept the durand line asap because if we dont and Afghanistan actually happens to get NWFP Tajik Uzebk and hazara will be severly marginalised and this could even lead to greater and more severe pushtunization (as it has happened in the past before with fewer pushtun population). If we did actually mage to get all of western Pakistan i would reccommend that we should great an indepedent state for the pushtuns of Pakistan, AND the Balouch aswell. The only land that i would want to recieve is chitral district because the people are like Tajiks and also land in the coastline of Balouchistan so that we at least have someland connected to the coast. And Afghnistan woudl remain Afghanistan and this would indeed make sense as our geographic location has been descripted as a round about including many cultures connecting east to west etc.


anyy differing opinionss or etc. ?

[United Hazara Uzbek Tajik]

tajik kabuli, on 09 October 2009 - 01:47 PM, said:

Number one fore the United hazara uzbek guy who said that we should give southern Afghnistan to pakistan. Why is that my friend that is a spit to the face of Afghanistan when you say that, and it is a victory for Pakistan because they indeed will take the land. And also southern Afghanistan isnt just Pushtuns ther are also important and ancient Tajik concentrations in Kandhar, Helmand etc. What you should be saying my friend is that we should all work towards reconciliation and build our great nation that is Afghanistan which has such great history. They are also uzbek and hazara people in southern Afghanistan aswell so you should be cinsidering that aswell my friend.

Early you also stated that we have faith in Uzbek Tajik Hazara unity as the Nothern Alliacen proved but this wasnt ther case in the early 90s heb wahdat committed massacres against the tajik population of Kabul and this has been proven by human rights organization, and similar has also happened among other ethncities. The most important thing is that we should execute all warlords and educate you youth.

if u are mentioning the massacres of tajik then Tajiks are also massacres the Hazaras in Afshar (West Kabul). my point is not to mention those all killings of past but to clear diffrences among ourselves and be united against a common enemy PASHATINS.
so for God Sake don't mention such a thing which causes the diffrences.

[tajik kabuli]

true true you indeeed right my friend. Even entually the pushtuns will hsve a change of heart. As the older generation fascist Afghan mellatti pushtuns die out they younger generation of pushtuns ( or at least the intellectual ones) will not really be intersted in the concept of Pushtunization or the durand line because they also like us have gone thorugh war and seen the damage it has done, and they will aswell embrace all ethncities and we will hopefullyy live in harmoney and peace or at least thats what i think
any differing opinions ??

btw are you hazara???

[United Hazara Uzbek Tajik]

tajik kabuli, on 09 October 2009 - 02:29 PM, said:

true true you indeeed right my friend. Even entually the pushtuns will hsve a change of heart. As the older generation fascist Afghan mellatti pushtuns die out they younger generation of pushtuns ( or at least the intellectual ones) will not really be intersted in the concept of Pushtunization or the durand line because they also like us have gone thorugh war and seen the damage it has done, and they will aswell embrace all ethncities and we will hopefullyy live in harmoney and peace or at least thats what i think
any differing opinions ??

btw are you hazara???

Sure i am a HAZARA and pround on being Hazara, i also appreciate Tajiks to proud on being Tajik and Uzbek to being Uzbek. and we all have a common enemy and that is pashatins. so i wish the new genration will omit all diffrences among all Dari Zaban.
Long life Hazara,Uzbek and Tajik and down with Pashatins
i requested u to focus on the topic that s Durand line.
Peace!!!!

[Sohrab]

that is a proper internationally recognized border not a LINE. so avoid using this term. secondly, who the hell other people are to ask people of NWFP to join afghanistan? they are patriotic pakistanis and will never leave their motherland.

[Administrator]

tajik kabuli, on 09 October 2009 - 02:47 PM, said:

Number one fore the United hazara uzbek guy who said that we should give southern Afghnistan to pakistan. Why is that my friend that is a spit to the face of Afghanistan when you say that, and it is a victory for Pakistan because they indeed will take the land. And also southern Afghanistan isnt just Pushtuns ther are also important and ancient Tajik concentrations in Kandhar, Helmand etc. What you should be saying my friend is that we should all work towards reconciliation and build our great nation that is Afghanistan which has such great history. They are also uzbek and hazara people in southern Afghanistan aswell so you should be cinsidering that aswell my friend.

Early you also stated that we have faith in Uzbek Tajik Hazara unity as the Nothern Alliacen proved but this wasnt ther case in the early 90s heb wahdat committed massacres against the tajik population of Kabul and this has been proven by human rights organization, and similar has also happened among other ethncities. The most important thing is that we should execute all warlords and educate you youth.

Tajik Kabuli gerami there is no hope for Afghanistan. The only workable solution left for this failed state is disintegration into two different political entities. a reletively peaceful democratic north and a Talib runned emirate in the south. This is what the people want and what will truly happen in the near future.

Blue: Republic of Khorasan
Red: Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan

[United Hazara Uzbek Tajik]

Gul agha, on 10 October 2009 - 07:16 PM, said:

Tajik Kabuli gerami there is no hope for Afghanistan. The only workable solution left for this failed state is disintegration into two different political entities. a reletively peaceful democratic north and a Talib runned emirate in the south. This is what the people want and what will truly happen in the near future.

Blue: Republic of Khorasan
Red: Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan

This is what we are not wanting to be....
if our coutry is divided in two major blocks(south and north)then it is totally dew to new pashatins (Awghani nao) who belongs to pakistan, who are always flaming the Pak-Afghan border as an issue ,but in reallty it is a recognized border.
if the pashatins take the recognized border as an issue then sertainlly Pakistan for her sovernity, will create problems in our country in the form of division the entire country into two blocks(south and North) and like in the past formation of Mujahideen and Taliban.
SO WE MUST STOP THE INFLUNCE OF NEW AFGHAN(AWGHANI NAO)!!!!!! THEY MUST HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR COUNTRY AFGHANISTAN,THEIR COUNTY IS PAKISTAN.