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"Durand line" Is it our (Hazara,Uzbek and Tajik) issue or Pashtuns issue? Rate Topic: -----

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Posted 13 October 2009 - 06:10 AM

I think all of you are loosing the topic ....
the topic is about Southtrn Border instead of nothren border, we all are discussing about clashes and holds of cities.
So kindly if we focus on the topic (Durand line "Pak-Afghan Border" and our "Hazara,Uzbek and Tajik" Intrest) it will be better...... so a kindly request is to leave the discussion about conflicts among ourselves(all Dari Speakers)and get start on the effects of this issue on behave of our intrest.
i hope u all will agree..... Peace!!
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Posted 13 October 2009 - 06:56 AM

View PostGul agha, on 13 October 2009 - 02:54 PM, said:

Federalism is not accepted by the Pashtuns so we should cross that out of our list. The only solution left is disintegration and we Tajiks should accept it now. There is no more solutions and alternatives left for this failed state and de facto wise disintegration has already happened the only thing that is left is to partition it through a legal process.

Dr Najibullah Ahmadzai was an ultra-nationalist and he only served Pashtun interests in his government. His fascistic policies and ideology lead most Tajik Parchamis to join Ahmad Shah Masood and help Shaheed Masood overthrow Najib's government.


What do you mean de facto wis intergration has already happened? ???
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Posted 13 October 2009 - 07:06 AM

View PostGul agha, on 13 October 2009 - 02:54 PM, said:

Federalism is not accepted by the Pashtuns so we should cross that out of our list. The only solution left is disintegration and we Tajiks should accept it now. There is no more solutions and alternatives left for this failed state and de facto wise disintegration has already happened the only thing that is left is to partition it through a legal process.

Dr Najibullah Ahmadzai was an ultra-nationalist and he only served Pashtun interests in his government. His fascistic policies and ideology lead most Tajik Parchamis to join Ahmad Shah Masood and help Shaheed Masood overthrow Najib's government.


Also Gerami Gul Agha, why are you so against disinteration from Afghanistan, yes there are clear evident problems but we can work with these through education, reconstruction, dialogue, reconciliation. Disintergration should be a last resort

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Posted 13 October 2009 - 07:07 AM

View PostUnited Hazara Uzbek Tajik, on 13 October 2009 - 04:10 PM, said:

I think all of you are loosing the topic ....
the topic is about Southtrn Border instead of nothren border, we all are discussing about clashes and holds of cities.
So kindly if we focus on the topic (Durand line "Pak-Afghan Border" and our "Hazara,Uzbek and Tajik" Intrest) it will be better...... so a kindly request is to leave the discussion about conflicts among ourselves(all Dari Speakers)and get start on the effects of this issue on behave of our intrest.
i hope u all will agree..... Peace!!
LONG LIFE HAZARA,UZBEK AND TAJIK UNITY


What about you then Hazara Uzbek Tajik united, do you think we should disintergrate, and from North-South border
wats your opinion? ??? ?
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Posted 13 October 2009 - 11:36 AM

View Posttajik kabuli, on 13 October 2009 - 07:07 AM, said:

What about you then Hazara Uzbek Tajik united, do you think we should disintergrate, and from North-South border
wats your opinion? ??? ?

i am not in favour to split the country in norh-south boredr.
since this country belong to us(Hazara ,Uzbek and Tajik), why should we divide our country? ??? ? if they are not comfrotable with us then they must leave the country since all the land where they are now settled,were our land and they force us to leave that place which are now occopied by pashatins.
2ndly those divide country who are weak like we see in pakistan,Balochistan always want to splite pakistan as shi is weak in the country.
so we(Hazara,Uzbek and Tajik) are not weak to divide they country ..... we are strong and want to rule all over the Khorasan Zameen(now afghanistan).
because this country belongs to us. and pashatins are weak as compare to aourselves.
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Posted 13 October 2009 - 04:00 PM

Can we focus on the topic? ??? ? as we are going beyond the topic....
And the topic is "Durand line" Is it our (Hazara,Uzbek and Tajik) issue or Pashatins issue? ??? ? ???
So please make your discussion around this topic
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Posted 13 October 2009 - 10:51 PM

This is the 21st century and ethnic cleansing is impossible. all of Khorasan was only populated with Tajiks 900 years ago so if we start kicking and booting Pashtuns out of the south then we have to kick those Uzbeks and Turkmens and other Mongolic and Turkic groups who forcefully got our lands in Northern Afghanistan; don't think uzbeks peacefully settled in the north. The only logical and rational solution is disintegration. If you have any other workable solution (excluding federalism and confederalism) then present it here.
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Posted 13 October 2009 - 10:54 PM

View Posttajik kabuli, on 13 October 2009 - 08:06 AM, said:

Also Gerami Gul Agha, why are you so against disinteration from Afghanistan, yes there are clear evident problems but we can work with these through education, reconstruction, dialogue, reconciliation. Disintergration should be a last resort

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All of these options have failed and repeating it will not help us. When they are against education and reconciliation how are we going to use these to bring unity and understanding between Tajiks and Pashtuns.
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Posted 14 October 2009 - 08:21 AM

View PostGul agha, on 14 October 2009 - 08:51 AM, said:

This is the 21st century and ethnic cleansing is impossible. all of Khorasan was only populated with Tajiks 900 years ago so if we start kicking and booting Pashtuns out of the south then we have to kick those Uzbeks and Turkmens and other Mongolic and Turkic groups who forcefully got our lands in Northern Afghanistan; don't think uzbeks peacefully settled in the north. The only logical and rational solution is disintegration. If you have any other workable solution (excluding federalism and confederalism) then present it here.


What are you suggesting Gul Agha, that if ethnic cleansing was possible that yoiu would participate in it? ??? ???
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Posted 14 October 2009 - 10:16 AM

exactly as gul agha said. if we want to kick out pashtuns then same must happen to usbeks & others who snatched our land. but if we cant take our land back from hazaras who 're politic not in high position, if we cant take land back from usbeks who 're minority, then how the hell can we dream of taking back our land from pashtuns? we 've to accept the facts that due to our own weaknesses we lost our lands to usbeks, mongolic, turkic & pashtuns & we couldnt fight against only one of them so how can we compete with all of them together? every single one of them 've harmed our land for sure but the question is, why were we so weak that we let others invade our country once, twice, three or more times! if saving it was so difficult then what makes us think getting it back 'll be easy? lets just concentrate on the areas we 're in right now & we 'll see whatever happens after that. & btw dont think that usbeks 're weak 'cause they 're cunning as hell! they'd rather succeed taking all our northern parts wihtout us even noticing it! in our battle against pashtun politicians we shouldnt forget to keep an eye on usbeks either 'cause in many ways they could be more dangerous. they could use as well against pashtuns & then kick our butt again once we 're done with the pashtuns

& btw, what 're the tajiks still doing in south if they 're discriminated against, even tho north is much better than south? & whats ur definition of tajikized/persianized/pashtunized? speaking the persian/pashto language as ur first language?
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Posted 14 October 2009 - 11:53 AM

I think the topic of our discussion is something else so kindly once again i request u all to focus on the topic and start ur discussion abt the topic.....
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Posted 14 October 2009 - 12:06 PM

View PostUnited Hazara Uzbek Tajik, on 14 October 2009 - 11:53 AM, said:

I think the topic of our discussion is something else so kindly once again i request u all to focus on the topic and start ur discussion abt the topic.....
Peace

basically the so called line is only bothering pashtuns, we tajiks 're more than happy to lose 30 million pashtuns. but its also a fact that we share country with some morons who dream of reclaiming nwfp from pakistan which is a very strong country. so its indeed our responsibility as well, in terms of accepting the border & convince our government to do the same. but the question is, how?
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Posted 14 October 2009 - 12:10 PM

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Posted 14 October 2009 - 12:19 PM

View Postshabir, on 14 October 2009 - 12:06 PM, said:

basically the so called line is only bothering pashtuns, we tajiks 're more than happy to lose 30 million pashtuns. but its also a fact that we share country with some morons who dream of reclaiming nwfp from pakistan which is a very strong country. so its indeed our responsibility as well, in terms of accepting the border & convince our government to do the same. but the question is, how?

In my opinion the Pakistan will never want to lose the territory(NWFP) and it is her right as they "pashatins" have agreed to give the land to British(now Pakistan)and it is on the record.
Since we(Hazara,Uzbek and Tajik) and Pakistan are the enemy of Pashatins and our realyion with Pakistan is also not good in that manner but there is a proverb i.e ENEMY OF ENEMY IS A FRIEND. so we must tie our relationship with Pakistan on this issue which is troubling both Pakistan and Afghanistan.
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Posted 14 October 2009 - 01:50 PM

View PostUnited Hazara Uzbek Tajik, on 14 October 2009 - 09:53 PM, said:

I think the topic of our discussion is something else so kindly once again i request u all to focus on the topic and start ur discussion abt the topic.....
Peace


As the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan actually been officialyy ratified??? Because it is and international border???
And is this border the reason Pakistani intelligence keeps meddeling into the internal affairs of Afghanistan, because of its fear that Karzai and Afghan mellati hoons will try and reclaim western Pakistan. ??? ??

anyone have an answer ??? ?
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Posted 14 October 2009 - 01:58 PM

That line must be officially recognized by Afghanistan Government. No need that Afghanistan and Pakistan do more debate over this topic.
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Posted 14 October 2009 - 02:09 PM

View PostKhurasani, on 14 October 2009 - 11:58 PM, said:

That line must be officially recognized by Afghanistan Government. No need that Afghanistan and Pakistan do more debate over this topic.


Is it recognised though thats the thing, is there like a formal agreement on paper stating that the Afghan goverment recognises pakistans terrortorial intergretiyyy
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Posted 14 October 2009 - 02:15 PM

View Posttajik kabuli, on 14 October 2009 - 03:09 PM, said:

Is it recognised though thats the thing, is there like a formal agreement on paper stating that the Afghan goverment recognises pakistans terrortorial intergretiyyy


http://en.wikipedia....iki/Durand_Line

A qoute from above page: "So far there is no formal agreement between Islamabad and Kabul on its formal ratification"
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Posted 14 October 2009 - 03:36 PM

View Posttajik kabuli, on 14 October 2009 - 01:50 PM, said:

As the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan actually been officialyy ratified??? Because it is and international border???
And is this border the reason Pakistani intelligence keeps meddeling into the internal affairs of Afghanistan, because of its fear that Karzai and Afghan mellati hoons will try and reclaim western Pakistan. ??? ??

anyone have an answer ??? ?

Sure this is the reason of Pakistani influence in our country(afghanistan).
If we force pashatins to keep silence on such a nonsense issue like "DURAND LINE" which in realty a recognized Pak-Afghan border and not a issue and also to focus on their social life probelms and education then certainly Pakistan will stop to involve herself in Afghanistan internal affairs and our country will be a peacfull place.
in this wqay both country will be devoloped.
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Posted 14 October 2009 - 04:49 PM

View Posttajik kabuli, on 14 October 2009 - 02:09 PM, said:

Is it recognised though thats the thing, is there like a formal agreement on paper stating that the Afghan goverment recognises pakistans terrortorial intergretiyyy

Afghan Government must recognize the Pak-Afghan border in written form and in oral from because if Afghanistan claim on this land that Abdur Rehman(lanatulla)had dealed and sold the NWFP of Pakistan to the British Govt; and they have their agreement with British and not with Pakistan, then Pakistan will also point out this that the British Govt; had also dealed with the King of Afghanistan and to the present govt of afghanistan so for this afghanistan must bring the DAMN ABDUR REHMAN(lanatullah) from his grave.

So one thing is clear that internationally "the durand line" is recognized as border between afghanistan and pakistan and if pashatins(Pashtuns)accept this as border or not,it does not matter any more...................

and their is no need to invovle our country in such a nonsense issue, already our country have facing much more important problems to be solved.
SO ONE ADVICE FOR SAVAGE PASHATINS(TALIBAN): don't waste ur time in such a problem which is in reality not a problem but a universal truth that DURAND LINE IS AN INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED AFGHAN-PAKISTAN BORDER and for GOD SAKE if you(Pashtuns) want a fight with Pakistan then go ahead alone and don't bring the COUNTRY in between.Because this country does not belong to you(pashatins) any more.
this is our (Hazara,Uzbek and tajik) country and we love our country and we do not want any war with any nighbouring country.we are peacfull people and love peace. YOU PASHTUNS(TALIBAN) ARE TERRORIST AND ALWAYS INSEARCH OF WAR AND BLOODSHED.
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