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Posted 29 December 2009 - 04:41 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk...g_arrests.shtml
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Posted 30 December 2009 - 03:01 PM

was he tajik?
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Posted 30 December 2009 - 09:17 PM

View PostUnity, on 30 December 2009 - 03:01 PM, said:

was he tajik?


If Abdullah Laghmani Tajikzada was the same person as below, the senior Afghan intelligence officer then it seem not!

American troops quickly cordoned off the blast site, which was in a crowded market area. Laghmani was the former intelligence chief in Kandahar. The southern province is the birth place of the Taliban. He was an ethnic Pashtun like most of the insurgents but fought with the Tajik-led faction to oust the Taliban when it ruled here. Laghmani was the second Afghan intelligence official killed by the Taliban in recent days. Police say the body of an intelligence officer kidnapped a few days earlier in Kunduz province in the north was found hanging from a tree today in a neighboring province.

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 11:11 PM

View PostPaul, on 30 December 2009 - 09:17 PM, said:

If Abdullah Laghmani Tajikzada was the same person as below, the senior Afghan intelligence officer then it seem not!

American troops quickly cordoned off the blast site, which was in a crowded market area. Laghmani was the former intelligence chief in Kandahar. The southern province is the birth place of the Taliban. He was an ethnic Pashtun like most of the insurgents but fought with the Tajik-led faction to oust the Taliban when it ruled here. Laghmani was the second Afghan intelligence official killed by the Taliban in recent days. Police say the body of an intelligence officer kidnapped a few days earlier in Kunduz province in the north was found hanging from a tree today in a neighboring province.

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Tajiks call themself after their regions, like Kabuli, Laghmani, Baghlani etc. Pushtuns don´t have such a ''categorization''. It´s not that Laghman has not a large Tajik population (the original population of Laghman!), as well as Kandahar (ca. 35-42%). Abdullah Laghmani is actutally neither a Pashtun, nor a native-Pushtunspeaker. He belonged to a group of Tajiks known as Arbab'Zai''
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Posted 31 December 2009 - 11:21 AM

View PostParsistani, on 30 December 2009 - 11:11 PM, said:

Tajiks call themself after their regions, like Kabuli, Laghmani, Baghlani etc. Pushtuns don´t have such a ''categorization''. It´s not that Laghman has not a large Tajik population (the original population of Laghman!), as well as Kandahar (ca. 35-42%). Abdullah Laghmani is actutally neither a Pashtun, nor a native-Pushtunspeaker. He belonged to a group of Tajiks known as Arbab'Zai''


Was it the same person in the original post?
Obviously this would not be what is read into the statement by a westerner like myself :-)
Guess it is trying to say the opposition to the Taliban is not only from non-Pashtuns.
We have been through this sort of thing.
When there was the ongoing civil war in Northern Ireland there were constant references to the "British" which really makes no sense when you consider What the term British Isles actually means.

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 11:46 AM

Can you provide us with some western sources, please?
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Posted 31 December 2009 - 11:56 AM

View PostParsistani, on 30 December 2009 - 11:11 PM, said:

Tajiks call themself after their regions, like Kabuli, Laghmani, Baghlani etc. Pushtuns don´t have such a ''categorization''. It´s not that Laghman has not a large Tajik population (the original population of Laghman!), as well as Kandahar (ca. 35-42%). Abdullah Laghmani is actutally neither a Pashtun, nor a native-Pushtunspeaker. He belonged to a group of Tajiks known as Arbab'Zai''


How can Arbabzai be Tajik?
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Posted 31 December 2009 - 12:03 PM

View PostUnity, on 31 December 2009 - 11:56 AM, said:

How can Arbabzai be Tajik?


Same as people of Naurozkhel are called as Naurozkheli->Ahmad Shah Massud Naurozkhel. The name is actually Arbab, but Pushtuns and since they dominate the east and south, call them as Arbabzai.
http://www.nps.edu/p...Trees/Tajik.pdf
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Posted 31 December 2009 - 12:11 PM

View PostParsistani, on 31 December 2009 - 12:03 PM, said:

Same as people of Naurozkhel are called as Naurozkheli->Ahmad Shah Massud Naurozkhel. The name is actually Arbab, but Pushtuns and since they dominate the east and south, call them as Arbabzai.
http://www.nps.edu/p...Trees/Tajik.pdf


to be honest with you, if this guy calls himself Tajik then fine, otherwise he is what he wants to be.
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Posted 31 December 2009 - 12:20 PM

Why should a Pushtun call himself as Tajik? Not even the Tajikizied Oughans did. What was he to your opinion? Hazara, Uzbek, Tajik, Pushtun, Pashai, Nuristani? Paul, the oppostion of the Taliban are made-up by non-Pushtuns to 95%. The 5% are only for using them in the south and east not to send with one way ticket the own people.
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Posted 31 December 2009 - 05:38 PM

View PostParsistani, on 31 December 2009 - 11:46 AM, said:

Can you provide us with some western sources, please?


Hi

This is from a paper owned by Rupert Murdoch who owns Fox TV! (fair to say quite right wing)
http://www.timesonli...icle6818195.ece

This is one of the liberal papers from the UK (the one I buy :-))!
http://www.guardian..../15/afghanistan

The New York Times (I know nothing of its political stance)
http://topics.nytime...mani/index.html

The BBC
http://news.bbc.co.u...sia/8233265.stm
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Posted 01 January 2010 - 01:27 AM

View PostPaul, on 31 December 2009 - 05:38 PM, said:

Hi

This is from a paper owned by Rupert Murdoch who owns Fox TV! (fair to say quite right wing)
http://www.timesonli...icle6818195.ece

This is one of the liberal papers from the UK (the one I buy :-))!
http://www.guardian..../15/afghanistan

The New York Times (I know nothing of its political stance)
http://topics.nytime...mani/index.html

The BBC
http://news.bbc.co.u...sia/8233265.stm


Paul, my dear brother,

in only one of four of your sources it is claimed he was a Pushtun. The question is for now, from where have the writer this information and was his own ''source'' reliable? Well, if we look deep to his name, beside his regional name, Laghmani, his real surname has the suffix ''zada'' which back his Tajik or Hazara origine, while in Pushtu the equivalente word for ''zada'' would be ''khel'' and in some cases ''sai/soy''. Also his view about politics and his activities were not ''Pushtun''. And the most reliable part of his origine is that he belonged to the Arbabi people, who are without any questions of Tajik background. There is only one answer to the question why he is mentioned as Pushtun. It´s because of his presence in Kandahar, today a region became synonym with Pushtuns and Pushtun centre, tough at least 35%-40% of Kandahar´s population are Deqaans, Tajiks. Btw, why some member of Tajikam who have regularely contacts to Afghanistani politicians can*t help us? Gul Agha, may you know more about him?
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Posted 01 January 2010 - 12:26 PM

View PostParsistani, on 01 January 2010 - 01:27 AM, said:

Paul, my dear brother,

in only one of four of your sources it is claimed he was a Pushtun.


and there is no any cridble source to say he is tajik?

i dont understand why should we talk about him and ethnicity that much.
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Posted 01 January 2010 - 04:45 PM

View PostParsistani, on 01 January 2010 - 01:27 AM, said:

Paul, my dear brother,

in only one of four of your sources it is claimed he was a Pushtun. The question is for now, from where have the writer this information and was his own ''source'' reliable? Well, if we look deep to his name, beside his regional name, Laghmani, his real surname has the suffix ''zada'' which back his Tajik or Hazara origine, while in Pushtu the equivalente word for ''zada'' would be ''khel'' and in some cases ''sai/soy''. Also his view about politics and his activities were not ''Pushtun''. And the most reliable part of his origine is that he belonged to the Arbabi people, who are without any questions of Tajik background. There is only one answer to the question why he is mentioned as Pushtun. It´s because of his presence in Kandahar, today a region became synonym with Pushtuns and Pushtun centre, tough at least 35%-40% of Kandahar´s population are Deqaans, Tajiks. Btw, why some member of Tajikam who have regularely contacts to Afghanistani politicians can*t help us? Gul Agha, may you know more about him?


Hi

http://www.npr.org/t...245&ft=1&f=1004
This says he is Pashtun!

This will be my last post on this topic :-).
I am aware of course anything found on the internet should be treated with special care as to its accuracy.

Regards Paul
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