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Posted 03 December 2007 - 07:35 PM

BBC distorts Iran's history

The British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) has deliberately distorted Iranian history in a recently published news report.

In the news report 'Tajik capital's last Lenin plea' published on its website on Nov. 9th 2007, BBC deliberately distorted the Iranian history by claiming the 9th century Persian poet Rudaki was 'Tajik'.
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Posted 03 December 2007 - 08:25 PM

[QUOTE=TajMahal;3506]BBC distorts Iran's history

The British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) has deliberately distorted Iranian history in a recently published news report.

In the news report 'Tajik capital's last Lenin plea' published on its website on Nov. 9th 2007, BBC deliberately distorted the Iranian history by claiming the 9th century Persian poet Rudaki was 'Tajik'.
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Posted 03 December 2007 - 09:04 PM

why don
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Posted 04 December 2007 - 03:43 AM

[QUOTE=Gul agha;3507]Both sources are wrong. Rodaki was a Tajik/Persian/Iranian/Khorasani Poet.

Tajik = Persians of Central Asia and Rodaki was a Persian from Central Asia(aKa Tajik).[/QUOTE]

I agree with GulAgha, there is no contradiction between the twol I certainly think people of Tajikistan are more rightful to claim Rudaki as theirs since he was born on what is now their soil, not in current boundaries of Iran. This article seems to be written by some ignorant and petty nationalist people who have no kno.wledge of history or geography. They should definitely be informed and educated
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Posted 04 December 2007 - 08:46 AM

[QUOTE=TajMahal;3506]

The BBC knows or should have known that Rudaki was in fact Iranian (not Tajik)
http://www.presstv.i....onid=351020105[/QUOTE]

absurd... :confused:
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Posted 20 December 2007 - 12:41 PM

Rudaki was maybe a Tajik but Iran claim him as an Iranian whose home is in Iran, Chorasan. They will never accept him as Tajik. They even claim Rumi as Iranian and part of Iran and not Afghanistan or Tajikistan.
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Posted 20 December 2007 - 01:24 PM

[quote=TajMahal;4094]Rudaki was maybe a Tajik but Iran claim him as an Iranian whose home is in Iran, Chorasan. They will never accept him as Tajik. They even claim Rumi as Iranian and part of Iran and not Afghanistan or Tajikistan.[/quote]

their silly claims is always the source of tension between us. although i dont care where they are from, but when they insist on he was from iran i get mad. i am proud of saadi and hafiz, but never claim them to be from my country or tajikistan.
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Posted 20 December 2007 - 01:37 PM

[quote=TajMahal;3508]why don
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Posted 20 December 2007 - 01:45 PM

[quote=doodooli;3514]I agree with GulAgha, there is no contradiction between the twol I certainly think people of Tajikistan are more rightful to claim Rudaki as theirs since he was born on what is now their soil, not in current boundaries of Iran. This article seems to be written by some ignorant and petty nationalist people who have no kno.wledge of history or geography. They should definitely be informed and educated[/quote]

as nationalists they should know who Khurasanians are. Now tell me don
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Posted 21 December 2007 - 07:45 AM

[quote=TajMahal;4094]Rudaki was maybe a Tajik but Iran claim him as an Iranian whose home is in Iran, Chorasan. They will never accept him as Tajik. They even claim Rumi as Iranian and part of Iran and not Afghanistan or Tajikistan.[/quote]

Tajmahal aziz you are not understanding what Iranians claim. I have never heard an Iranian say Rodaki was born in Tehran or in Shiraz but they always say Rodaki Bukharahi and many Iranians have memorized rodaki's poem Booy juy mulian. Rodaki was an Iranian from Bukhara.

Mawlana Balkhi was also an iranian from Balkh an Iranian City situated in Khorasan.

Calling Mawlana Tajik,Iranian,Persian,Aryan,Aryayi...etc makes no difference and just because iranians say mawlana was an iranian does not mean he was born in a city situated in modern Iran.
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Posted 21 December 2007 - 07:49 AM

[quote=Rika Khana;4095]their silly claims is always the source of tension between us. although i dont care where they are from, but when they insist on he was from iran i get mad. i am proud of saadi and hafiz, but never claim them to be from my country or tajikistan.[/quote]

before you get mad you should understand what they mean when they say Mawlana or Ibn Sina are Iranian. We should acknowledge that Tajikistan,Afghanistan,Uzbekistan did not exist more than a century ago and even the Identity "Tajik" wasnt popular or used by the natives a few centuries ago and we were part of Greater Iran and Balkh,Bukhara,soghd,Samarqand..etc were Iranian cities and they inhabitants of these regions were Iranians(modern Tajiks).

Saadi was the first Poet to used the word "Tajik" in Literature when he identified Sherazis as Tajiks and the invaders as "Turks".
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Posted 21 December 2007 - 07:50 AM

[quote=TajMahal;4098]as nationalists they should know who Khurasanians are. Now tell me don
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Posted 21 December 2007 - 08:02 AM

[quote=Gul agha;4110]before you get mad you should understand what they mean when they say Mawlana or Ibn Sina are Iranian. We should acknowledge that Tajikistan,Afghanistan,Uzbekistan did not exist more than a century ago and even the Identity "Tajik" wasnt popular or used by the natives a few centuries ago and we were part of Greater Iran and Balkh,Bukhara,soghd,Samarqand..etc were Iranian cities and they inhabitants of these regions were Iranians(modern Tajiks).

Saadi was the first Poet to used the word "Tajik" in Literature when he identified Sherazis as Tajiks and the invaders as "Turks".[/quote]

i think they were all khorasanis, not iranians. yes, tajikistan and afghanistan didnt exist that time. i also get mad when someone claims muslana to be from afghanistan.
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Posted 22 December 2007 - 07:15 AM

[quote=Rika Khana;4113]i think they were all khorasanis, not iranians. yes, tajikistan and afghanistan didnt exist that time. i also get mad when someone claims muslana to be from afghanistan.[/quote]

Khorasan was part of Greater Iran and Khorasan was only a region not a Nation.

Rodaki,Mawlana..etc were Eastern Iranians while Saadi Hafez Nezami..etc were Western Iranian.
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Posted 22 December 2007 - 10:44 AM

in the history of present afghanistan it was always called khorasan since the start of islam era not iran.
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Posted 22 December 2007 - 12:56 PM

[quote=Rika Khana;4150]in the history of present afghanistan it was always called khorasan since the start of islam era not iran.[/quote]

It was Khurasan for at least 1800 years and it was part of Iran Shahr. In the pers. literature it is called Khurasan e Irani or Iran e Khurasani. Both are correct terms. Abu Muslim had made Khurasan only independent and founded ''The Islamic Empire Of Khurasan''. Khurasan is old, older than Kushanians era.

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