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'بیش از یکصد فرمانده طالبان به دولت پیوسته‌اند'

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 11:29 AM

At last a small good news, hope it is true. please click on the link below to watch the video:

http://www.bbc.co.uk...ban-north.shtml



فرمانده پلیس حوزه شمال افغانستان گفته است که همزمان با اجرای عملیات نظامی علیه طالبان در
شمال، بیش از صد فرمانده طالبان به دولت پیوسته اند.

ژنرال داوود داوود، فرمانده پلیس شمال، در نشستی با خبرنگاران که روز پنحشنبه، 4 عقرب/مهر در کابل برگزار شد گفت که در نتیجه این عملیات، بخش های عمده ای از ولایت های قندوز، بغلان، تخار، سر پل و فاریاب از شورشیان طالبان پاکسازی شده است.

ژنرال داوود گفت: "در سه ولسوالی ولایت تخار -- درقد، خواجه بهاءالدین و ینگی قلعه – که طالبان در آن جا لانه ساخته بودند، کاملا تصفیه شده و گروه هایی که آنها ساخته بودند، تار و مار شده اند."

این فرمانده پلیس افغان همچنین گفت که در تازه ترین اقدامات علیه طالبان در ولایت قندوز، دوازده منطقه از کنترل طالبان خارج شده و در ولایت بغلان هم پیشرفت هایی به دست آمده است.

به گفته ژنرال داوود، عملیات شمال باعث شده است که "فعالیت های خرابکارانه" شورشیان در شمال به شدت کاهش یابد.
طالبان، عکس از آرشیو

عمدتا جنوب و شرق افغانستان منطقه مورد نفوذ طالبان بوده، ولی آنها در سالهای اخیر به شمال هم رو آورده اند

وی افزود که در جریان این عملیات، که از چند هفته پیش آغاز شده است، بیش از یکصد فرمانده طالبان در شمال کشور به دولت پیوسته و شماری دیگر از فرماندهان طالبان کشته شده اند.

به گفته او، پنجاه تن از فرماندهان بازگشته از شورشیان در ولایت قندوز، و بقیه در ولایت های مختلف شمال افغانستان از گروه طالبان جدا شده و به دولت پیوسته اند.

ژنرال داوود همچنین گفت که برای تحکیم امنیت مناطقی که از کنترل طالبان خارجی می شود، برنامه هایی، از جمله استقرار نیروی امنیتی و بازسازی این مناطق روی دست گرفته شده است.

بشنوید

* گزارش رادیویی درباره پیوستن بیش از صد تن از فرماندهان طالبان در شمال این کشور به دولت

بشنویدمدت: 02:05

او تاکید کرد که این مناطق دیگر در اختیار شورشیان قرار نخواهد گرفت.

داوود داوود افزود که پیشرفت های اخیر در اثر تغییر شیوه عملیات نظامی علیه شورشیان در شمال افغانستان به دست آمده است.

به گفته او، پیش از این، عملیات نظامی به گونه گسترده به اجرا در می آمد که تاثیر آن، به دلیل همین پراکندگی، کاهش می یافت.

در مقابل، عملیات اخیر به پیمانه کوچکتر و با تمرکز بر مناطق محدودتر به اجرا گذاشته می شود و در نتیجه، از کارآیی بالایی برخوردار بوده است.

آقای داوود که اخیرا در پی تغییرات گسترده در وزارت داخله/کشور افغانستان به عنوان فرمانده پلیس حوزه شمال افغانستان منصوب شده، گفت که در ماههای اخیر اوضاع امنیتی در حوزه تحت فرماندهی او بهبود یافته است.

هر چند ولایت های جنوبی و شرقی افغانستان به طور سنتی منطقه مورد نفوذ طالبان شمرده می شود، ولی در چند سال اخیر نفرات این گروه به شمال و غرب افغانستان هم نفوذ کرده اند.
پلیس افغانستان

آقای داوود گفت که در عملیات جاری در شمال از شیوه جدیدی استفاده شده است.

در نتیجه، ولایت های شمالی و غربی افغانستان که در گذشته از مناطق نسبتا امن این کشور محسوب می شد، در سالهای اخیر دسخوش ناامنی های قابل ملاحظه بوده است.

همزمان با اجرای عملیات نظامی در شمال افغانستان، عملیات دیگری با شرکت نیروهای تحت فرمان ناتو در افغانستان، در مناطق جنوبی این کشور، به ویژه قندهار جریان داشته است.

اخیرا یک فرمانده ارشد ارتش افغانستان در جنوب این کشور اعلام کرد که این عملیات تا هجده ماه دیگر ادامه خواهد یافت.

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Posted 06 November 2010 - 06:08 PM

Based on what I have been able to find out on the internet, the Taliban will take over most or all of Afghanistan once the foreign troops leave. The question is: will they be able to take over non-Pashtoon areas (Tajiks, Hazaras) ? If not, then Afghanistan will probably end up partitioned. Otherwise, there will be a reign of terror and dark ages will take over Afghanistan for many years. Of course, mentally retarded elements such as the Taliban can only survive where people are mentally retarded, but they will try to keep everyone mentally retarded as long as possible. Eventually, mentally retarded elements such as the Taliban are doomed to fail, because most human beings have intelligence, and they can be kept retarded for only so long. We are in the 21st century, how long can medieval dark ages mental retards rule ? Only so long, and only in countries where people have little or no development of their intellectual abilities ... and unfortunately, I feel Afghanistan is on the lowest scale in the entire Eurasian continent in this respect, and probably lower than most of Africa. Eventually though the trend on Earth is towards awakening and enlightenment, we can see signs every where, but it will take a long time. Afghanistan will come out of the dark ages sooner or later. Similarly, the dark ages in Iran will end pretty soon ... if not in years, at least within a generation Iran will be liberated from mullahs and dark forces that want to keep people backward. But, in Afghanistan, it will be even harder, unless you get lucky and get a dictatorship of enlightened people to rule the country. The communists, despite their many stupidities, might have at least brought literacy and education to all Afghans over time, so that people can decide for themselves, think for themselves, read books, and eventually get out of whatever trap they are in. Today, how many Afghans can read, and how many of those can think for themselves ? Sad story ...
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Posted 07 November 2010 - 03:39 PM

Afghanistan to come out of dark age will require a hell of time, maybe 600 years? or more? dont know.

The taliban before the americans came were controlling almost all of afghanistan with the exception of Badakhshan and Panjshir and the mountain of Yak Awlang of Bamyan provice. They are gaining strenght sadly, if the nato pulls out, there will be nothing but diaster and bloodshed.
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Posted 07 November 2010 - 04:24 PM

View PostSohrab, on 07 November 2010 - 03:39 PM, said:

Afghanistan to come out of dark age will require a hell of time, maybe 600 years? or more? dont know.

The taliban before the americans came were controlling almost all of afghanistan with the exception of Badakhshan and Panjshir and the mountain of Yak Awlang of Bamyan provice. They are gaining strenght sadly, if the nato pulls out, there will be nothing but diaster and bloodshed.


why dont the tajiks create an peshmarge force for themselves to be able to control the north, and maybe eventually seperate and have their own state. i dont see any bright future for the tajiks in afghanistan. but as an independant state they can improve their situation.
چــو ایــــــــران نبـاشد تن من مباد
بدین بوم و بر زنــده یک تن مباد
دریـغ است ایــران که ویران شود
کنـام پلنگـــــــان و شیــــــران شود
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Posted 07 November 2010 - 04:52 PM

Yes, the people with most culture and civilization are the Tajiks, but unfortunately they have been held back by the Pashtoons. The Pashtoons are so warlike that even the foreign forces want to get out, how can the Tajik militia take them on successfully without widespread support among the Tajiks people ? It seems only Ahmad Shah Massoud was able to achieve this, and only over a limited territory.

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why dont the tajiks create an peshmarge force for themselves to be able to control the north, and maybe eventually seperate and have their own state. i dont see any bright future for the tajiks in afghanistan. but as an independant state they can improve their situation.

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 05:00 PM

I am sure you are joking... I hope within a few decades, but I hope that Persian speaking people can control their own fate, then it will be possible. But with Taliban in control, it might take 60 years, if not 600. With Karzai government and NATO, the country is not being developed and it is not even under government control. What is the best hope for AFghanistan ?

View PostSohrab, on 07 November 2010 - 03:39 PM, said:

Afghanistan to come out of dark age will require a hell of time, maybe 600 years? or more? dont know.

The taliban before the americans came were controlling almost all of afghanistan with the exception of Badakhshan and Panjshir and the mountain of Yak Awlang of Bamyan provice. They are gaining strenght sadly, if the nato pulls out, there will be nothing but diaster and bloodshed.

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 05:34 PM

View PostParsi_zaban, on 07 November 2010 - 04:24 PM, said:

why dont the tajiks create an peshmarge force for themselves to be able to control the north, and maybe eventually seperate and have their own state. i dont see any bright future for the tajiks in afghanistan. but as an independant state they can improve their situation.


They are already doing so. When Talibs came they fooled the non-Pashtuns bringing peace and stability thus people dropped their weapons...but this time we are prepared and just wait for them. We will kill their children, mothers, daughters and sons in the entire north, Kabul region, western, south-western if they make only one step toward us, inshallah. There will be for sure a new civil war but this time they won´t be able to escape like rats to the mountains and hide themself in holes.
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Posted 09 November 2010 - 05:34 PM

View PostParsistani, on 07 November 2010 - 12:34 PM, said:

We will kill their children, mothers, daughters and sons in the entire north, Kabul region, western, south-western if they make only one step toward us, inshallah. There will be for sure a new civil war but this time they won´t be able to escape like rats to the mountains and hide themself in holes.



This is beyond disappointing
Please abandon these regressive cognitions
هیچ وقت به خدا نگو یه مشکل بزرگ دارم
به مشکل بگو من یه خدای بزرگ دارم


Go tell the wolves that although the father has been killed,
The father's gun is with us still
Tell them that although all the men of the tribe have been killed,
There is a young boy in the cradle still

Bakhtiari Proverb
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Posted 09 November 2010 - 05:52 PM

View PostParsistani, on 07 November 2010 - 05:34 PM, said:

They are already doing so. When Talibs came they fooled the non-Pashtuns bringing peace and stability thus people dropped their weapons...but this time we are prepared and just wait for them. We will kill their children, mothers, daughters and sons in the entire north, Kabul region, western, south-western if they make only one step toward us, inshallah. There will be for sure a new civil war but this time they won´t be able to escape like rats to the mountains and hide themself in holes.


It was pashtons who sided with the taliban and surrendered their weapons, the non pashtons fought the taliban to death, but sadly were defeated. with the exception of masoud who was fighting and even he lost considerable number of territories to the taliban and was badly under pressure. in the last days of his martardom, he only had badakhshan, panjshir and probably a few districts in parwan and takhar, large areas of takhar, pawarn and kapisa had already gone under the taliban.
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Posted 11 November 2010 - 09:31 PM

View PostSohrab, on 09 November 2010 - 05:52 PM, said:

It was pashtons who sided with the taliban and surrendered their weapons, the non pashtons fought the taliban to death, but sadly were defeated. with the exception of masoud who was fighting and even he lost considerable number of territories to the taliban and was badly under pressure. in the last days of his martardom, he only had badakhshan, panjshir and probably a few districts in parwan and takhar, large areas of takhar, pawarn and kapisa had already gone under the taliban.


The non-Pashtuns were not defeated but failed by their own ethnic programs and beeing idiots believing Mullah Omar´s Unholly Shadow Army. Maybe you do not remember but when Talib became a name in Afghanistan, people, specially the Shamali ones thought really these dogs would bring back stability, unity and peace among all ethnics (''Brother-war'' was used for the civil war in Afg after Soviets and 1994). Everyone, except Massud, who welcomed the filthy Pashtuns but never trusted them (because of their Paki and Arab masters and father-in-laws) dropped their weapons. It was Massud that challenged the Talibs, Uzbeks and Hazaras in Kabul that showed the true dirty Pashtun face. But how to defend yourself when nearly all ex-Mujaheddins and soldiers gave up fighting and with no industry workings for weapon mashineries? Massud and his men had to secure Panjshir valley, from where they started their war against Talibs (75000 killed Khug-zais from 95-2001) around Panjshir. How should he defeat them when filthy Pushtuns were supported by enemies nr. 1 of Iranic people and their history, the filthy bedouines and the filthy black slaves (Pakis) ??? Now listen. Some believe Massud was killed by CIA, one week before the US invention in Afghanistan and only 3 weeks before Massuds expansion mission against the Talibs. But this plan failed because the US brought their dirty filthy shoe-cleaner Khar-Zai, the son of the donkey-son. That the NA were stronger than the Talibs all the time it was shown when they had after 9 years war against filthy Pashtuns a bit space. The main operation after 09/11 was led by the NA. The US just started to bomb holes on the mountains and buy tribesmen from east and south and use them against their Talib brothers. But they were wrong. A filthy Pashtun will be always royal to his slave-master. From Kabul, Parvan to Kandhaar, the main operation was run by the NA. Only 3 elite troups of the US army, among them the legendary spellforce 373 and Blackwater, were supporting them. Even today, the filthy Pakis would die like rats wouldn´t they run away like their forefathers from their Iranian Tajik fathers. Alone on himself, Uzbek General Dostum f**** more than 12 000 Talibs in the provinces of the north, some 3000 were killed brutally under the eyes of the US. The reason why the filthy Pushtuns were succes was they fooled the most people and warriors from the first time and had on a wider view no danger or oppositions to face. the second reason was the ununique among the NA leaders. The Hazaras were supported by Iran, the Tajiks by Tajikistan and India and in some cases also by Russia (weapons), the Uzbeks by Uzbekistan, Turkey, US and Russia.

Just take a look on all movies on this account http://www.youtube.c...ser/TajikVision . Maybe you will understand a bit more the history of the last 30 years. Tajiks can f**** every Pashtun father and his dirty sons!!!! One Iranian can mass with 50 Fu***toons and one Hazara with 10 f****tun as long he is not a traitor and coward, one Uzbak with 500 filthy terroristkhels!!!!

DEATH TO PASHTUNS!!

btw http://www.khawaran....9%86%D8%AF.html
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Posted 24 November 2010 - 07:28 PM

۱۶۰ شورشی در شمال افغانستان به دولت پیوسته‌اند'
طالبان، عکس از آرشیو

طالبان در چند ماه اخیر تلاش کرده اند که دامنه ناامنی ها را از جنوب به سوی شمال گسترش دهند

مقامهای امنیتی افغان گفته که ۱۶۰ شورشی مسلح، که چند فرمانده مشهور طالبان هم در میان آنان هستند، در شمال افغانستان به دولت پیوسته اند.

وزارت داخله (کشور) با انتشار اعلامیه ای گفته است که این شورشیان پیش از پیوستن به دولت، امنیت ولایت بغلان و شماری از ولایت های همجوار آن در شمال کشور را برهم زده بودند.

در اعلامیه به نقل از ژنرال محمد داوود داوود، فرمانده پلیس حوزه شمال افغانستان آمده است: "چند تن از فرماندهان مشهور طالبان، از جمله محمد داود، محمد عالم و محمد هاشم نیز شامل این گروه می باشند که اکنون به عنوان شهروندان عادی به زندگی روزمرده شان مشغول شده اند."

مقامهای دولتی افغانستان پیش از این هم گفته بودند که صدها شورشی وابسته به گروه طالبان در ولایت های شمالی افغانستان به دولت پیوسته اند.
نقشه ولایت بغلان

آقای داوود گفته است که طالبانی که به دولت پیوسته، در ناآرامی بغلان نقش داشته اند.

اخیرا نیروهای مسلح افغانستان عملیات گسترده ای را در ولایت های شمالی این کشور علیه شورشیان و مهار نفوذ آنها در این ولایت ها آغاز کرده و مقامهای امنیتی گفته اند که این عملیات برای کنترل اوضاع و بهبود امنیت شمال موثر بوده است.

در چند ماه گذشته در پی اجرای عملیات های گسترده نظامی ناتو ارتش افغانستان علیه طالبان در ولایت های جنوبی افغانستان، به ویژه هلمند و قندهار، شورشیان تلاش کردند که دامنه ناامنی را به ولایت های غربی و شمالی افغانستان گسترش دهند.

گفته شده که هدف طالبان برای گسترش فعالیت های خود در شمال افغانستان، کم کردن فشارهای نیروهای مشترک ناتو و ارتش افغانستان علیه شورشیان در جنوب این کشور بوده است.

هلمند و به ویژه ولایت قندهار، از مناطقی است که طالبان نفوذ قابل توجهی در آن دارند و در گذشته هم قندهار مرکز اصلی گروه طالبان بوده است. طالبان به همین دلیل تلاش دارند حضور و نفوذ خود را در این ولایت حفظ کنند.

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Posted 24 November 2010 - 08:26 PM

The reason why Tajiks were defeated in most regions after 1996 was because the Uzbeks were very powerful during the 1990s. Tajiks defeated all of their enemies before 1996 and our forces were exhausted and at the same time Uzbeks continued fighting our commanders when the Taliban entered Herat and Kabul. The reason why we lost Kabul was because the Hazaras gave the Taliban many parts of Western Kabul (Abdul Ali Mazari negotiated with them and later got killed by the same people he trusted and worked against the Tajiks) and we lost Western Afghanistan because Ismail Khan was betrayed by Malek, an Uzbek commander who allied himself with the Taliban. Before Ismail Khan was betrayed Tajiks controlled the whole Western and Southwestern regions(Badghis, Ghor, Herat, Farah, Nimrooz, Helmand, and some parts of Faryab), we even had some of Kandahar's districts in 1994. However, if a civil war, which has already started to an extent, breaks out throughout Afghanistan Tajiks will defeat the Taliban and all other groups; Tajiks currently control the Northern provinces and the Uzbeks and Hazaras are very weak militarily. Currently Tajiks have a strong grip on Kabul too because most Tajik commanders have bought land in strategic locations all around Kabul and we have taken many areas in southern Kabul which used to be populated mainly by Pashtuns and was Hekmatyar's stronghold.
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Posted 24 November 2010 - 08:33 PM

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Before Ismail Khan was betrayed Tajiks controlled the whole Western and Southwestern regions(Badghis, Ghor, Herat, Farah, Nimrooz, Helmand, and some parts of Faryab), we even had some of Kandahar's districts in 1994


I agree with everything you said Gul Agha brother, but i dont know how we controlled Helmand? And i dont think we ever controlled districts of Qandahar, there were powerfull Jamiat commanders like Mullah Naqib who was a Pashtoon.
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Posted 25 November 2010 - 02:24 AM

View PostGul agha, on 24 November 2010 - 03:26 PM, said:

The reason why Tajiks were defeated in most regions after 1996 was because the Uzbeks were very powerful during the 1990s. Tajiks defeated all of their enemies before 1996 and our forces were exhausted and at the same time Uzbeks continued fighting our commanders when the Taliban entered Herat and Kabul. The reason why we lost Kabul was because the Hazaras gave the Taliban many parts of Western Kabul (Abdul Ali Mazari negotiated with them and later got killed by the same people he trusted and worked against the Tajiks) and we lost Western Afghanistan because Ismail Khan was betrayed by Malek, an Uzbek commander who allied himself with the Taliban. Before Ismail Khan was betrayed Tajiks controlled the whole Western and Southwestern regions(Badghis, Ghor, Herat, Farah, Nimrooz, Helmand, and some parts of Faryab), we even had some of Kandahar's districts in 1994. However, if a civil war, which has already started to an extent, breaks out throughout Afghanistan Tajiks will defeat the Taliban and all other groups; Tajiks currently control the Northern provinces and the Uzbeks and Hazaras are very weak militarily. Currently Tajiks have a strong grip on Kabul too because most Tajik commanders have bought land in strategic locations all around Kabul and we have taken many areas in southern Kabul which used to be populated mainly by Pashtuns and was Hekmatyar's stronghold.


Tajiks face several disadvantages in a civil war with the Pashtuns:

1. Tajiks dont have a well-defined regional ethnic base which includes all or most of the Tajik population. In areas where the Tajiks do have a well-defined base, such as Badakhshan and Panjshir, they were able to block all Taliban advances

2. Tajiks have not managed to forge durable alliances with other ethnic groups in order to offset Pashtun numerical superiority (im speaking about the Hazaras and Uzbeks in particular). Any alliances that the Tajiks did form with other groups were temporary and plagued by mutual mistrust. If anything, Tajik alliances with other ethnic groups actually made you more vulnerable because the Taliban were able to manipulate the allied party and secure its defection.

3. The Tajiks, I am ashamed to say, dont have a strong regional source of support. The Taliban had thousands of Pakistani Pashtun seminary students that they could draw upon; not to mention the Arabs, Chechens, non-Pashtun Pakistanis and the Uzbekistanis. I must warn you that you cannot really depend on Iran in the near future because the concept of ethnic nationalism has still not taken root in Iran. Even my own father does not see eye to eye with me on this issue and he sees the whole proposition as "Shia boys dying for sunnis". He is an old school Qizilbash ,not to mention a Tabrizi qizilbash, and he is much more concerned about the interests of our "brothers" in Lebanon and southern Iraq. The military establishment in Iran largely shares his view and its only the new generation-my generation- that is beginning to see things differently. You will have to wait some time before the Iranian agenda towards Afghanistan changes. I am not saying that we would abandon the Hazaras, I just saying that we would also extend our support to the Tajiks.

It would be best to avoid the 1996-2001 circus but you must be prepared for the worst
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به مشکل بگو من یه خدای بزرگ دارم


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The father's gun is with us still
Tell them that although all the men of the tribe have been killed,
There is a young boy in the cradle still

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 12:01 AM

View PostGul agha, on 24 November 2010 - 08:26 PM, said:

The reason why Tajiks were defeated in most regions after 1996 was because the Uzbeks were very powerful during the 1990s. Tajiks defeated all of their enemies before 1996 and our forces were exhausted and at the same time Uzbeks continued fighting our commanders when the Taliban entered Herat and Kabul. The reason why we lost Kabul was because the Hazaras gave the Taliban many parts of Western Kabul (Abdul Ali Mazari negotiated with them and later got killed by the same people he trusted and worked against the Tajiks) and we lost Western Afghanistan because Ismail Khan was betrayed by Malek, an Uzbek commander who allied himself with the Taliban. Before Ismail Khan was betrayed Tajiks controlled the whole Western and Southwestern regions(Badghis, Ghor, Herat, Farah, Nimrooz, Helmand, and some parts of Faryab), we even had some of Kandahar's districts in 1994. However, if a civil war, which has already started to an extent, breaks out throughout Afghanistan Tajiks will defeat the Taliban and all other groups; Tajiks currently control the Northern provinces and the Uzbeks and Hazaras are very weak militarily. Currently Tajiks have a strong grip on Kabul too because most Tajik commanders have bought land in strategic locations all around Kabul and we have taken many areas in southern Kabul which used to be populated mainly by Pashtuns and was Hekmatyar's stronghold.


this is a good breakdown, but you forget one issue

not all pashtuns were associated with or loved the Talibs. There were many divisions amongst Pashtuns that allowed Talibs to rise in the first place

if there is a next war, and it is a "total" war, pashtuns would be more united
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Posted 26 November 2010 - 09:06 PM

View PostKakar, on 26 November 2010 - 12:01 AM, said:

this is a good breakdown, but you forget one issue

not all pashtuns were associated with or loved the Talibs. There were many divisions amongst Pashtuns that allowed Talibs to rise in the first place

if there is a next war, and it is a "total" war, pashtuns would be more united


well brother, i personally believe along with many other people that nearly all pashtoons stood with the Taliban and actively supported them. The same thing was with hazaras that they stood with hizbe wahdat, but Tajiks and uzbeks were badly hit by divisions.
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Posted 26 November 2010 - 09:11 PM

and by the way kakar wrora. i like your type of nationalism, i do really hope everybody had the same ideas as yours, you live and let others live their lives without imposing yourself on the others and take others rights away from them. honestly that is very human as well as logical which will open the durable doors of brotherhood among differnt people.
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Posted 26 November 2010 - 11:18 PM

View PostSohrab, on 26 November 2010 - 09:11 PM, said:

and by the way kakar wrora. i like your type of nationalism, i do really hope everybody had the same ideas as yours, you live and let others live their lives without imposing yourself on the others and take others rights away from them. honestly that is very human as well as logical which will open the durable doors of brotherhood among differnt people.


I am a secularist byadar. not too many of us among Pakhtuns.
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Posted 26 November 2010 - 11:20 PM

View PostSohrab, on 26 November 2010 - 09:06 PM, said:

well brother, i personally believe along with many other people that nearly all pashtoons stood with the Taliban and actively supported them. The same thing was with hazaras that they stood with hizbe wahdat, but Tajiks and uzbeks were badly hit by divisions.


pashtuns did overwhelmingly support the Taliban. But I know of many Hezbis who didnt, the Arsala brothers in Nangahar didt (Abdul Haq, Abdul Qadir), even in Qandhahar some tribes were against them like the Achakzais
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Posted 27 November 2010 - 05:39 PM

It is important to distinguish between Nationalists and Chauvinists

Nationalists aim to secure the cultural integrity and unity of all who share their identity
Chauvinists aim to impose their identity on others

Kakar is a nationalist

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As for the Taliban,
It would be naive to classify the Taliban as either a purely religious or a purely ethnic movement
The taliban were, in fact, a composite of these two elements

I would argue that they were more of a religious movement than an ethnic one
This is evidenced by the close support that they received from the Pakistani establishment
It goes without saying that the pakistanis would never support a Pashtun nationalist movement
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به مشکل بگو من یه خدای بزرگ دارم


Go tell the wolves that although the father has been killed,
The father's gun is with us still
Tell them that although all the men of the tribe have been killed,
There is a young boy in the cradle still

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