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Posted 10 November 2010 - 06:24 PM

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 11:02 PM

it said there are 1 million pakistanis whose mother tongue is persian ... i guess they must be including refugees from afghanistan, otherwise no way ... and those are not pakistanis any way ... if you know more, please enlighten us ... by the way, the persian speaking guy they interviewed had durrani as name and looked pashtoon not tajik ... interesting that pashtoons are carrying the persian flag in pakistan ... which shows that not all pashtuns are hostile ... i think even you are half pashtoon, right ?

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 09:54 PM

View PostNader Shah, on 10 November 2010 - 11:02 PM, said:

it said there are 1 million pakistanis whose mother tongue is persian ... i guess they must be including refugees from afghanistan, otherwise no way ... and those are not pakistanis any way ... if you know more, please enlighten us ... by the way, the persian speaking guy they interviewed had durrani as name and looked pashtoon not tajik ... interesting that pashtoons are carrying the persian flag in pakistan ... which shows that not all pashtuns are hostile ... i think even you are half pashtoon, right ?


Dear Nadershah, terms like ''Durrani'', ''Niazi'' and some other names are not tribal designations. There are many non-Pashtuns who have these as their surnames, even the filthy word ''Afghan''. Most of these names were not even existing for 100 years ago. They are splitts that use Persian names.


How do you personally define a Pashtun? How can you be sure that he is a Pashtun? What´s difference that makes his looking for you ''Pashtoon''? Just click on the video and listen what he says. Btw, his looks do not differ from an Iranian or a Tajik, but do from a Paki.

Compare these traditional cave-monkies with him.
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Posted 12 November 2010 - 03:30 AM

Dear Parsistani,

The 'cave-monkies', as you say :lol: , in the second picture look more Iranian/Tajik than Indian or Arab or Turkic (shave them and dress them up). My impression of the Pashtun look is that some have very pronounced Semitic features (nose), based on a book I had read about Afghanistan, and many also look like lighter skinned Indians or Pakistanis based on what I have seen on the internet. In the case of the person being interviewed, I think he had a mixed Indic and Iranic look (there is no value judgment involved, just a factual statement) which made me think he is Pashtun rather than Tajik (or Uzbek or Hazara).

I understand your frustration given what is happening in Afghanistan, and what the extremist Islamist violent groups of Pashtuns are doing to your people. Since I have not suffered personally at their hands, I am more emotionally detached, but I understand you ...

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Dear Nadershah, terms like ''Durrani'', ''Niazi'' and some other names are not tribal designations. There are many non-Pashtuns who have these as their surnames, even the filthy word ''Afghan''. Most of these names were not even existing for 100 years ago. They are splitts that use Persian names.


How do you personally define a Pashtun? How can you be sure that he is a Pashtun? What´s difference that makes his looking for you ''Pashtoon''? Just click on the video and listen what he says. Btw, his looks do not differ from an Iranian or a Tajik, but do from a Paki.

Compare these traditional cave-monkies with him.
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Posted 12 November 2010 - 10:32 AM

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I understand your frustration given what is happening in Afghanistan, and what the extremist Islamist violent groups of Pashtuns are doing to your people. Since I have not suffered personally at their hands, I am more emotionally detached, but I understand you ...


I can´t get you. Today, 80% of Kabul belong back to us, the ANA is a Tajik institution, the opposition get stronger and stronger and people start to dropp off the term Tajik and to adapt terms like Persian, Aryai and Farswan. Nationalistic fractions and Persian militants are in growing, personal armies and civil pan-militaric armies start to recruite thmself against Pashtuns...what makes me ''frustrated''? It is not frustrating, it´s my hate to Pushtun bastards. I want and it´s my aim to Persianize even the their mothers´ between legs region. What makes you think I am frustrated? Kabul turns from day to day back to a Qizilbash Persian city, the province removes more and more Pashtun immigrants and force them to settle in the desert or in the south....we are in coming. The same way you hate Mullahs and Gay Chomaini because of your princips I hate these dravidian-arab-paki-jewish breets
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Posted 12 November 2010 - 08:12 PM

View PostNader Shah, on 10 November 2010 - 11:02 PM, said:

it said there are 1 million pakistanis whose mother tongue is persian ... i guess they must be including refugees from afghanistan, otherwise no way ... and those are not pakistanis any way ... if you know more, please enlighten us ... by the way, the persian speaking guy they interviewed had durrani as name and looked pashtoon not tajik ... interesting that pashtoons are carrying the persian flag in pakistan ... which shows that not all pashtuns are hostile ... i think even you are half pashtoon, right ?


I think you are right, this one milion might include the tajis as well, but dont forget that there are alot of Native tajiks in Paksitan such as Wakhi Tajiks who i think have around 100000 population. A guy registered here awhile ago,but doesnt come anymore said he was tajik from Paksitan, he gave alot of information about the tajiks of that country, although some of them might not speak farsi as their first langauge. About this gentleman and his wife in the video, I personally believe that he might have had pashtoon ancesters because durani is pashtoon tribe, but by passing time they became close to tajiks through marriage,culture and language and eventually they totally lost the pashtoonhood excetp the surname. Living for many generarations have had a strong influece on their accent, but i salute their courage and determination to keep thier language and culture alive.
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Posted 12 November 2010 - 08:15 PM

I saw a report a year ago or so about a Guy who surnamed Gardizi and was Paksitani national. His forefathers came with Mahmoud Ghazanvi to the sub contenent, after many generations he still used to read Shahnama Ferdawsi, he was proud Tajik, although Gardiz is the capital of Paktia province which the stronghold of Pashtoons, but the very centre of Gardiz have a sizeable Tajik population. That guy was proud of his oirgin(tajik), culture and language and he was very proud to have kept all of those for many years.
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Posted 13 November 2010 - 06:13 AM

Sohrab aziz, Gardez 50 years ago was a Tajik city, meaning the vast majority were ethnic Tajiks and those Tajiks are still there but Pashtunized and many of them migrated to the North. The interesting thing is that Gardez was the Shi'ite center of Khorasan.

The stat about the Persian speakers of Pakistan is correct and it does not include the refugees. All of the Persian-speakers in Pakistan are not Tajik but half of them are ethnic Hazaras,a big minority in NWFP and Balochistan.
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Posted 13 November 2010 - 11:14 AM

Sohrab, Gardez is still a Tajik city, including ''Sayyids''. The naqleen immigrants are the Zadran Pashtuns there. The city is mainly populated by Tajiks. If we get a partition we (Arbak e Khorasan) will take the city with us and kill the Pashtun population if they don´t want to leave it by free choice.
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