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A NEW CIVIL WAR TAJIK VS PASHTUN IS COMING!!! Wary of Taliban, Afghan mujahedeen ready for fight

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 04:07 PM

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PANJSHIR VALLEY, Afghanistan – President Hamid Karzai's moves to make peace with the Taliban are scaring Afghanistan's ethnic minorities into taking their weapons out of mothballs and preparing for a fight.

Mindful that Karzai's overtures come with NATO's blessing, and that U.S. and NATO forces will eventually leave, they worry that power will shift back into the hands of the forces they helped to overthrow in 2001.

Such a peace deal won't be easy in a country with a complex ethnic makeup and a tradition of vendetta killings. With ethnic and tribal differences having sharpened during the violence of the last 30 years, there's little indication that Karzai's overtures are gaining much traction.

Still, some mujahedeen — commanders of the Northern Alliance of minority groups that fought the Taliban — are taking no chances. They speak openly of the weaponry they have kept despite a U.N. disarmament drive.

In the Panjshir Valley, heartland of the Northern Alliance, Mohammed Zaman says that when the U.N. came looking for weapons, "the mujahedeen gave one and hid the other 19."

"We have plenty of weapons, rocket launchers and small arms and we can get any kind of weapons we need from the gun mafias that exist in our neighboring countries," he said. "All the former mujahedeen from commander to soldier, they have made preparations if they (the Taliban) come into the government."

Zaman was speaking to The Associated Press at the grave of Ahmad Shah Massoud, the charismatic Tajik leader who commanded the Northern Alliance and died in an al-Qaida suicide bombing two days before the Sept. 11 attacks that provoked the U.S. invasion.

Somah Ibrahim, a U.N. spokesman, said 94,262 small arms and 12,248 heavy weapons were collected by the time the disarmament program ended in 2005. But fewer than half of them were destroyed; some went to the army and police, which many of the militiamen joined.

The Hazara, a mainly Shiite ethnic group, are also worried.

"We have lots of weapons but they are not modern weapons. They are simple weapons," said Abbas Noian, a Hazara legislator.

"It is very bad, America announcing they will leave Afghanistan. It has given more power to the militants, more energy. Already we minorities are afraid. We want peace but we are afraid of a strong Taliban," he said.

In late 2009, President Barack Obama spoke of starting a gradual pullout in July 2011 if conditions allowed, but then clarified that he was not envisaging a mass exodus at that time. Lately, attention has lately shifted to 2014, when Karzai expects his forces to be ready to take the lead in securing Afghanistan.

Fahim Dashti, a Tajik, was present when the bombers blew up Massoud. He survived with scarred hands and arms and now edits the English-language Kabul Weekly. Dashti says the minorities began rearming about 18 months ago.

"The reason is because we don't know who President Karzai is talking to and what he is saying, but we feel the agenda of the government is to Pashtun-ize the government, the re-Talibanization of the system," he said.

Most Taliban are Pashtun, the country's majority ethnic group.

"We are afraid," Dashti said. "We have the experience already of the Taliban. We know who they are and what they have done to other ethnic groups."

Karzai's spokesman did not respond to requests for comment on the reports of rearmament.

The Taliban came to power in 1996 after years of civil war, imposed a harsh brand of Islam and played host to Osama bin Laden and his al-Qaida fighters. After the U.S.-led coalition invaded, the Northern Alliance militias gained control in a U.N.-crafted agreement. Karzai, a Pashtun with no militia of his own, became president.

But the Pashtuns felt sidelined in the new order, and analysts say their resentment has helped to reinvigorate the Taliban. Now the minorities worry that Karzai, besieged by allegations of corruption, may be returning to his Pashtun base for his political survival.

"The expectation is that insecurity will increase, that the hold of the government will slip even further, and that sooner or later it is all going to disintegrate," said Martine van Bijlert director and co-founder of the Afghan Analysts Network, an independent think tank.

"Many fear that it will be like the early 1990s, when there was civil war in Afghanistan and everyone fought everyone," she said.

Abdullah Abdullah, a close associate of the assassinated Massoud and loser to Karzai in the fraud-ridden 2009 presidential election, blamed the U.S. He said its talk of withdrawal emboldened the Taliban.

"People are rearming in some parts of the country," he said. "Who is going to protect them against the Taliban? NATO? Karzai?"
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Posted 14 November 2010 - 07:48 PM

tajiks cannot take on pashtuns in a civil war, they would need uzbeks, hazaras etc. i dont say this out of spite, its just the reality. your thread title is misleading.
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Posted 03 December 2010 - 06:31 PM

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A PUSH to establish Afghanistan's first formal political opposition out of the ashes of the old Northern Alliance is gaining momentum.

The campaign is being led by the country's former intelligence chief Amrullah Saleh, who resigned this year in protest at President Hamid Karzai's plans to negotiate with the Taliban and to pardon up to 400 insurgents.

With the US-led NATO alliance flagging a drawdown of troops from July next year, Mr Karzai is pushing for negotiations with the Taliban that will end the crippling and bloody nine-year insurgency.

Afghan analyst turned parliamentary candidate Haroun Mir told The Australian yesterday a core group of Karzai opponents were committed to establishing an opposition that could speak for ordinary Afghans who opposed the Taliban.

He outlined a global fundraising strategy that would draw on contributions from Afghans across Australia, Europe, Canada, the US and Britain, along similar lines to that which fuelled the separatist ambitions of Sri Lanka's Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam for more than three decades.

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Many analysts and Afghan observers attribute the country's stumbling democracy, undermined by corruption at all levels of government, to the lack of an effective party system.

While Afghanistan's constitution allows for political parties, a combination of traditional tribal divisions, the non-transferable vote system and restrictive electoral regulations introduced by the Karzai administration have hurt attempts to form functioning political parties.

After last year's fraud-tainted election, failed presidential candidate Abdullah Abdullah promised to establish a credible opposition party under the banner of National Alliance for Hope and Change.

Dr Abdullah said yesterday he was backing more than 300 of the 2580 candidates running for the 249 lower house seats this Saturday and had helped many fundraise for their campaigns.

But Mr Mir said Dr Abdullah's opposition party was still little more than a promise.

"If, by the summer of next year there's no tangible progress (in the war against the Taliban), then everybody will start moving towards a political settlement and then who would be able to represent the majority of Afghans who are opposed to the Taliban?" Mr Mir told The Australian .

"There's no voice for them. Our hope is that this movement cuts across the country and includes all Afghans. Politics until now has been based on ethnic and geographic affinities. I hope this time it will be broader.

"Every day, dozens of sympathisers approach Saleh. Those who share his vision are growing fast and I'm part of this process."

Mr Saleh and Mr Mir were acolytes of Northern Alliance chief Ahmad Shah Massoud, who led a pan-tribal resistance to the Soviet invasion and then the Taliban but was assassinated by Taliban militants in 2001.

Mr Saleh, who is building support from the northern Panshir Valley, told National Public Radio this week: "We do not want the Taliban to come and cut the noses off our women. We don't want the Taliban to destroy what is left of our historical heritage. We think if we do not rise today, our rights, our very basic rights in a deal with Taliban, will be violated fundamentally."

Mr Mir denied suggestions the new opposition was a revival of the Northern Alliance.

Prominent Afghan analyst and law professor Farouq Bashar told The Australian "democracy in this country cannot mature until Afghan parties are established and are working like they do in Australia or America". But he warned that a new opposition formed out of the old Northern Alliance lines was unlikely to draw mass support because it remained a coalition along ethnic lines.

Professor Bashar said he had little optimism this weekend's parliamentary elections would result in a stronger Wiolesi Jirga (lower house) as it was unlikely any more than 15 per cent of the 249 seats would change hands.

More than 2500 candidates are competing for those 249 seats.

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 06:32 PM

View PostKakar, on 14 November 2010 - 07:48 PM, said:

tajiks cannot take on pashtuns in a civil war, they would need uzbeks, hazaras etc. i dont say this out of spite, its just the reality. your thread title is misleading.


What have you reached during the Soviet era and the era after when you were too united and we were fighting only for ourself? You Kooni you should know. Tajiks are like cats. Once you push them in a corner they will f**** your little 1 year old daughter and your mother on her, filthy Pashtun Haramzada Paki Dalkhor Kaseef. Dirty Jahood.
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Posted 03 December 2010 - 07:51 PM

View PostParsistani, on 03 December 2010 - 01:32 PM, said:

they will f**** your little 1 year old daughter and your mother on her, filthy Pashtun Haramzada Paki Dalkhor Kaseef. Dirty Jahood.


you just implied that Tajiks are pedophiles and rapists

what are you doing?
هیچ وقت به خدا نگو یه مشکل بزرگ دارم
به مشکل بگو من یه خدای بزرگ دارم


Go tell the wolves that although the father has been killed,
The father's gun is with us still
Tell them that although all the men of the tribe have been killed,
There is a young boy in the cradle still

Bakhtiari Proverb
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Posted 03 December 2010 - 07:55 PM

View Postقزلباش, on 03 December 2010 - 07:51 PM, said:

you just implied that Tajiks are pedophiles and rapists

what are you doing?


In war we just use Pashtunwali so our enemies can´t judge on us beeing ''cruel'' and ''unhumanic'' to them. We do not care what Pashtuns think or not. In a new war we will show them their places. These Pushtuns think really this time they have it easy with us...let´s see how heads will cut off and role toward Indus from Ballah Hissar. Once we f**** their Arab and Turkic masters from there and sold them as slaves to Pakis and Rajas and we will do it again..this time to these Benamus and beghairat Pushtuns

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 07:57 PM

View PostParsistani, on 03 December 2010 - 02:55 PM, said:

In war we just use Pashtunwali so our enemies can´t judge on us beeing ''cruel'' and ''unhumanic'' to them. We do not care what Pashtuns think or not. In a new war we will show them their places.


You are not doing Tajiks any favors by making statements like that

If there is another war, you should aim to defeat them militarily.
I dont know how raping their wives and daughters would help the war effort in any way.
هیچ وقت به خدا نگو یه مشکل بزرگ دارم
به مشکل بگو من یه خدای بزرگ دارم


Go tell the wolves that although the father has been killed,
The father's gun is with us still
Tell them that although all the men of the tribe have been killed,
There is a young boy in the cradle still

Bakhtiari Proverb
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Posted 03 December 2010 - 08:03 PM

View Postقزلباش, on 03 December 2010 - 07:57 PM, said:

You are not doing Tajiks any favors by making statements like that

If there is another war, you should aim to defeat them militarily.
I dont know how raping their wives and daughters would help the war effort in any way.


Well, beside that it was a parable it could happen to them once these dogs mean to war with us. We will not teach them a physical lesson but also sell their dirtiest women to Uzbeks, Punjabis and Arabs and those who looks normal we will take as our house slaves or whatever...in the law of Pakhtunwali
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