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Posted 11 December 2010 - 09:44 AM

Dear Qizilbash,

you and your Georgian and Armenian DNA! Your Georgian and Armenian DNA do not make out of you genetically a non-Persian because beeing Persian does not meen you have to have a special gen. Tajiks from Uzbekistan are genetically very close to Georgians and Armenians, too, than to Tajiks of Pakistan or China. Your ''Armenian'' DNA is based on your Indo-European beeing.
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Posted 11 December 2010 - 03:39 PM

I think that we must forget about defining our identity in genetic or phenotypic terms.

The phenotype of Persians varies from region to region and we have a great deal of genetic diversity. For example, even among the "Tajik" sub-group of Persians, a Panjshiri might be very different from a Khujandi in terms of phenotype and genotype.

I have abandoned regressive and outdated racial self-definitions.
Persians are Persians; we are people of the silk road and we have always been diverse.
هیچ وقت به خدا نگو یه مشکل بزرگ دارم
به مشکل بگو من یه خدای بزرگ دارم


Go tell the wolves that although the father has been killed,
The father's gun is with us still
Tell them that although all the men of the tribe have been killed,
There is a young boy in the cradle still

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 11:03 AM

we sholdnt forget that pashtoons taking over karachi day by day, that is how MQM is feeling this pressure. they also have taken over alot of land which was previousely populated by tajiks and other people, Sultan a pakistani member of teh forum explained this before.
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Posted 13 December 2010 - 11:53 AM

View PostSohrab, on 13 December 2010 - 11:03 AM, said:

we sholdnt forget that pashtoons taking over karachi day by day, that is how MQM is feeling this pressure. they also have taken over alot of land which was previousely populated by tajiks and other people, Sultan a pakistani member of teh forum explained this before.


Karachi is in the hands of Sindhis and Panjabis. The Pashtuns are known as ''mohajers'' there and have no influence. The Pashtun population (ca. 4mio.) are immigrants from NWFP and federal tribal areas as well from south Waziristan. Right now, there is an ethnical and political war in Karachi where Psahtuns seems to be the victims. No matter what PigTun nationalists claim (''from Amu to Abaseen'' LOL) they will never be able to take over Karachi. The Punjabis and Sindhis self don´t let such a step. One reason is that Karachi´s population makes 20 mio. and the majority (more than 50%) are native Urdu-speaker. But it is interesting that some ''Kabulkhel'' and Bukhari Tajiks play very important roles in the economy and policy of the region. F.ex. Sirat Kabulkhel, a regional politician with strong anti-Pashtun feelings is leading a nationalist movement against Pashtuns and it seems that the PPP party is strongly allied with him and his nationalist views. I also say death to Pashtun niggers.

Gabari self is a filthy Paki Pashtun from Swat. He is not even a member of the Iranic people. Like him, many people today are in identity crises and look for a nother identity, like the Jats who claim beeing from Khorasan or the Kakhars and others.

I´ve just found this article. It´s about Pashtuns http://news.bbc.co.u...sia/7884222.stm and it give me right.
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Posted 15 December 2010 - 05:33 PM

View PostParsistani, on 13 December 2010 - 11:53 AM, said:

Karachi is in the hands of Sindhis and Panjabis. The Pashtuns are known as ''mohajers'' there and have no influence.

The pashtuns are known as pathans over there.The term mohajir is used for the urdu speaking people of karachi who at the time of partition of british india migarted to karachi from north india.
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Posted 16 December 2010 - 01:01 AM

Sohrab Jan, I wonder if spending too much time in Pakistani forums is having a bad influence on you ;)

View PostSohrab, on 13 December 2010 - 11:03 AM, said:

we sholdnt forget that pashtoons taking over karachi day by day, that is how MQM is feeling this pressure. they also have taken over alot of land which was previousely populated by tajiks and other people, Sultan a pakistani member of teh forum explained this before.

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 01:06 PM

View Postasif1986, on 15 December 2010 - 05:33 PM, said:

The pashtuns are known as pathans over there.The term mohajir is used for the urdu speaking people of karachi who at the time of partition of british india migarted to karachi from north india.


Sindh is made of Muhajirs. 90% of the population are Muhajers, including Pashtuns. There are also many mio. of Urdu-speaking Pashtuns and Hindkos.

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Sohrab Jan, I wonder if spending too much time in Pakistani forums is having a bad influence on you


Dear Nader Shah,

you sound a bit naiv. Hey, what would you say if Arabs or Turks would take over Tabriz or Tehran when they would start to immigrate to Iran? Would you accept that?
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Posted 17 December 2010 - 02:19 PM

View PostParsistani, on 17 December 2010 - 01:06 PM, said:

you sound a bit naiv. Hey, what would you say if Arabs or Turks would take over Tabriz or Tehran when they would start to immigrate to Iran? Would you accept that?


well, once you hold a land or property somewhere, nobody will expell you or can expell you. look at the pashtons, they once lived in sulaiman mountains and now they are scattered everywhere. MQM sees pashtoons and ANP as a real threat to its power in karachi, thats how they are doing everything to block their way. on the other hand the pashtoons are pouring into karachi especially from waziristan.
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Posted 17 December 2010 - 02:23 PM

View PostNader Shah, on 16 December 2010 - 01:01 AM, said:

Sohrab Jan, I wonder if spending too much time in Pakistani forums is having a bad influence on you ;)


to be honest spending time in their forum has been very good, first for the sake of information, secondly you see alot of very informed people there from all sides and countries, when they debate and talk they do it properly, the way they debate and write is very professional, they are mostly educated and even those who are young and have less education are doing quite good, you can see all sort of people there, iranians, many indians, chinees, americans, israelis, sri lankans, bangladishis, russians, arabs, turks etc etc, abuse is strictly not allowed be it from anybody, you simply get banned if you open your mouth irresponsibly, there is no second chance, foul languge doesnt have a place there. although i am on my own, i have managed to a great extent to tell pakisani members about persians of afghanisan and remove some of their misconception about us, i have been successfull to a greater degree. the forum is having a very high quality, no wonder why there are over 120 registered members online at anytime of the day or night you open the forum.
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Posted 17 December 2010 - 05:48 PM

View PostParsistani, on 17 December 2010 - 01:06 PM, said:

Sindh is made of Muhajirs. 90% of the population are Muhajers, including Pashtuns. There are also many mio. of Urdu-speaking Pashtuns and Hindkos.

I dispute your claims.Sindh is made of sindhis who are majority in sindh.
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Posted 17 December 2010 - 09:21 PM

View Postasif1986, on 17 December 2010 - 05:48 PM, said:

I dispute your claims.Sindh is made of sindhis who are majority in sindh.


The so-called ''Sindhis'' (which is not an ethnical term but describe the older settled population in contrast to the newer immigrants of te last 60 years to this day) are mainly Sindhi-speaking Baluchs and Siraikis who make 55-60% of the population and understand themself as ''native Sindhis'', followed by numerous other influentable tribes and people. And Persianspeaking ''Pashtuns'' aren´t more Pashtuns. They maybe claim it but the larger Pashtuspeaking people do not accept them as such. To be a Pashtun you have to speak Pashtu and follow Psahtunwali but the Durranis, whos fathers are Tajiks, Iranians, Persianspeaking Multanis etc, are not Pashtuns. They neither speak Pashtu nor know what Psahtunwali is. They are our children, specially in Kabul valley. We just do not want them as part of us because their existence came to life by an illigitimated affair.
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Posted 17 December 2010 - 10:08 PM

View PostParsistani, on 17 December 2010 - 09:21 PM, said:

The so-called ''Sindhis'' (which is not an ethnical term but describe the older settled population in contrast to the newer immigrants of te last 60 years to this day) are mainly Sindhi-speaking Baluchs and Siraikis who make 55-60% of the population and understand themself as ''native Sindhis'', followed by numerous other influentable tribes and people.

Sindh was part of the 5 thousand year old indus valley civilisation.There are sindhis who were of baloch origin but they have become assimilated with the culture of sindhis.The same cannot be said about the immigrants of the last 60 years.Its like saying farsi speaking durranis are not ethnic pashtuns.
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Posted 17 December 2010 - 10:51 PM

View Postasif1986, on 17 December 2010 - 10:08 PM, said:

Sindh was part of the 5 thousand year old indus valley civilisation.There are sindhis who were of baloch origin but they have become assimilated with the culture of sindhis.The same cannot be said about the immigrants of the last 60 years.Its like saying farsi speaking durranis are not ethnic pashtuns.


Read again what I´ve written. Those old middle-age ''Sindhi'' Baluchs have lost their Baluch identities and identify themself with Sindhis but they are aware of their ''Baluch beeing''. Your argument about Durrani Pashtuns is weak. Persianspeaking ''Pashtuns'' aren´t more Pashtuns. They maybe claim it but the larger Pashtuspeaking people do not accept them as such. To be a Pashtun you have to speak Pashtu and follow Psahtunwali but the Durranis, whos fathers are Tajiks, Iranians, Persianspeaking Multanis etc, are not Pashtuns, neither by definition, culture or language and these are the parts that give you an ID. They neither speak Pashtu nor know what Psahtunwali is. They are our children, specially in Kabul valley. We just do not want them as part of us because their existence came to life by an illigitimated affairs with their mothers.




Not all Durrani Pashtuns do speak Persian but a SMALL minority within Kabul valley. The term ''Sindh'' comes from Sindhu and means in it´s real meaning India and by word The Seven Rivers
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Posted 18 December 2010 - 03:00 PM

lets differntiate between karachi(the capital of sindh) and sindh province. they do have different ethnic composition.
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Posted 18 December 2010 - 03:29 PM

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Posted 19 December 2010 - 02:44 AM

Pashtuns will come back to bite Pakistan hard, especially NWFP. This will determine the future of Pakistan. Pk has ruined Afghanistan with their support of mad pashtuns called Taliban and soon those same mad Pashtuns will ruin Pakistan. You hurt your neighbor and you shall be hurt hundredfold. I hope Pakistan gets what it deserves, nothing less nothing more for the crimes it has committed against the innocent people of Afghanistan on behalf of the Great Satan. Death to Pakistan !!

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Sindh was part of the 5 thousand year old indus valley civilisation.There are sindhis who were of baloch origin but they have become assimilated with the culture of sindhis.The same cannot be said about the immigrants of the last 60 years.Its like saying farsi speaking durranis are not ethnic pashtuns.

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Posted 19 December 2010 - 02:46 AM

Pashtuns will come back to bite Pakistan hard, especially NWFP. This will determine the future of Pakistan. Pk has ruined Afghanistan with their support of mad pashtuns called Taliban (or Bin Laden or whatever other Islamic thugs) and soon those same mad Pashtuns will ruin Pakistan. You hurt your neighbor and you shall be hurt hundredfold. I hope Pakistan gets what it deserves, nothing less nothing more for the crimes it has committed against the innocent people of Afghanistan on behalf of the Great Satan. Shame on the so-called leaders of Pk for betraying their own people, their region, their religion, and the innocent people of Af.

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Sindh was part of the 5 thousand year old indus valley civilisation.There are sindhis who were of baloch origin but they have become assimilated with the culture of sindhis.The same cannot be said about the immigrants of the last 60 years.Its like saying farsi speaking durranis are not ethnic pashtuns.

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Posted 19 December 2010 - 01:14 PM

View PostNader Shah, on 19 December 2010 - 02:46 AM, said:

Pashtuns will come back to bite Pakistan hard, especially NWFP. This will determine the future of Pakistan. Pk has ruined Afghanistan with their support of mad pashtuns called Taliban (or Bin Laden or whatever other Islamic thugs) and soon those same mad Pashtuns will ruin Pakistan. You hurt your neighbor and you shall be hurt hundredfold. I hope Pakistan gets what it deserves, nothing less nothing more for the crimes it has committed against the innocent people of Afghanistan on behalf of the Great Satan. Shame on the so-called leaders of Pk for betraying their own people, their region, their religion, and the innocent people of Af.


pakistan, their leaders, media and public have very strange understanding of Afghanistan. they think everything about afghanistan is nothing but pashtoon, the issue of NWFP is also sensitive to them, but their policy makers intentially forget and their publc dont know that it was pashtons of afghanistan that wanted to break pakistan. Their support of pashtons are out of fear, they simply dont want to upset pashtoons in afghanistan and also they want to show to the pashtons of pakistan that pakistan is always to the side of pashtons. the second gain of this policy is to keep Afghanistan to its lowest level by dividing it on ethnic line basis, but they forget that afghanistan is already divided by past pashtoon policy makers in Afghanistan. Above all this, they need to know or at least stop pretend not knowing that non pashtoons of AFghanistan are the only people who want teritorial integrrity of Pakistan unlike pashtoons of afghanistan that want to break pakistan.
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Posted 19 December 2010 - 02:13 PM

Now it´s your job to make them this clear as possible since only you visit their forums. Do most of them actually know that men they are praising from their past were Tajiks/Iranians?
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Posted 22 December 2010 - 10:38 PM

View PostParsistani, on 19 December 2010 - 02:13 PM, said:

Now it´s your job to make them this clear as possible since only you visit their forums. Do most of them actually know that men they are praising from their past were Tajiks/Iranians?


I am constantly debating them over these issues. Right now i am talking to them in one of the threads, i have to tell them everything from the past and about what the pashtoons have done to the non pashtoons, the discrimination, killings, lootings etc. i have been stayhing in that forum for over a year now, and i am definately seeing the fruits of my efforts, although there many thick heads among them that even bullets wont open their heads, let alone my words. i am cool, polite and firm with them, that is how they take me seriousely and also respect me.
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