[asif1986]

Parsistani, on 30 December 2010 - 06:20 PM, said:

Your claim about Pashtun dominance is not holdable. If you cound the thousand of Pashtun immigrants from Kandahar and Hilmand than they are not part of Quetta. Quetta´s main population are still Balochs (f.ex. the ''Ahmadzai'' Baluchs or ''Yusufzai'' Baluchs), followed by Pashtuns.

Have you been to quetta.Its my understanding that pakhtuns do dominate quetta.Yes afghan refugees did pour into queeta but they are not included in pakistans census.

http://en.wikipedia....District#People

The Pashtun make up more than 60%, Settlers ( which incluse punjabis, hazarawals from NWFP, other people from NWFP, urdu speaking, sindhis and others) make about 10 % Baloch covering 20% and Hazaras make up 10% of the population of the capital district. The Muhajir Urdu (settlers and their descendants from India) and Punjabi settlers also dwell in Quetta. The 75% population of Pashtun consist of various Pashtun tribes including Kakar, Kasi, Bareach, ghilzai Khilji( suleimankhail , tarakai , andar , khroti , nasar and others), and many more who are inhabitant in the city from centuries. The Population of Quetta saw two surges ie in 1970-71, when Quetta was made capital of newly formed province Balochistan. During this period large number of Balochs came to Quetta in search of jobs and settled due to the comparatively better infra structure and job situation.

http://en.wikipedia....etta#Demography
The city in general is dominated by Pashtun people[19] followed by Baloch people and Brahuis, with Hazaras, Punjabi and others as the minority groups. Most of the Baloch people in Quetta arrived after 1970, when a new province with the name of Balochistan was created. The major Pashtun tribes which live in Quetta are Kasi, Kakar, Barech, and others.

[Parsistani]

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Have you been to quetta.Its my understanding that pakhtuns do dominate quetta.Yes afghan refugees did pour into queeta but they are not included in pakistans census.

In an independant or federal Baluchistan, would the Pashtuns stay in Baluchistan or go to Pakhtunistan?

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The Pashtun make up more than 60%,

Even if Pashtuns dominate Quetta, I doubt that they make ''60%''. The same game they play in Afghanistan, too. They added to their actual numbers some 25-30% more. Can you prove that Pashtuns make 60%? Even in the article there is no a reference used. And what will happen when some so-called Pashtun tribes do not want to be part of the greater Pashtuns but become independant and and own ethnic? Once they understand their historical problem (Pashtunization etc.) they will distance sooner to Pashtuns than the world from Pakis. I guess, that non-Pashtuns, along Urduspeaker are the dominant group. I wish them to act allied against their common enemies, the Pashtuns, and drive them out of Baluchistan, the Land of Baluchs.

You forget the fact that once, for more than 50 years, Quetta was a beautiful city, strongly Indian and ''Hindu oriented''. Your claims Pashtuns did lived there from old days is wrong. For more than 60 years, the region was overwhelming non-Muslim, even under Mahmud Hotacki. Most Muslim were living in slums around and far out of the city with Jats and Kashis. The Pashtuns just raided and looted their houses and take everything their dirty fingers could grab. Many non-Muslims were driven out of the city. One of the oldest people beside the Ormuris are the Dahwaris and Naushirvans, both Tajik groups who ruled over large regions of Kalat.

[asif1986]

Parsistani, on 30 December 2010 - 06:20 PM, said:

The Pashtun nationalists do not want the northern part of Baluchistan, but they want to annex all Baluchistan (LAND OF BALUCHS) while they have their Pashtunistan, Land of Pashtuns. They believe getting an axcess to the sea they will profite from it and call traitor-likes Baluchs as ''proud Afghans''. They never were Awghans nor related with Awghans who represent the criminal society of Pakistan.

There may be some pakhtuns who have such fantasy ridden wet-dreams but they are a micro-minority amongst pakhtuns.

http://www.khyber.or...hanAchakz.shtml

DT: How would you like Balochistan to be divided between the Baloch and Pushtoon, and what are your demands with regards to Pushtoonkhwa?

MKA: Historically, the Baloch and the Pushtoon have never lived under the same administration. They were brought under the same administration in 1970. There should have been a Baloch province comprising Baloch areas. The Pushtoon here were Afghan citizens till 1879. Pakistan is composed of Pushtoon, Baloch, Sindhi, Seraiki and Punjabi nationalities: each should have their own motherland - Pushtoonkhwa/Afghania, Balochistan, Sindh, Seraikistan and the Punjab, respectively. Pushtoonkhwa/Afghania should be composed of the NWFP (Pushtoonkhwa) and the chief commissioner's province (southern Pushtoonkhwa) excluding the Baloch areas; and the Pushtoon territory of Attock and Mianwali.

The chief commissioner's Pushtoon province (southern Pushtoonkhwa) should be revived and made an autonomous province. Provisionally, the political, economic, financial and administrative powers of Balochistan should be shared by the Pushtoon and Baloch. Moreover, central Pushtoonkhwa or the seven Pushtoon Agencies and Tribal Areas adjoining various districts should elect a national jirga and an executive on the basis of adult franchise. The dictatorial colonial laws should be done away with.

[Parsistani]

Dear Shabir, let´s analyse their claims and sayings phrases by phrases.

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We don't want to gain through fraud and deceit a single inch of land that belongs to other people

But this is exactly what they did for centuries and did it the last under Taliban militias, backed by Kuchis who himself, too, are seeking for lands. If you don´t have lands for your own, why not take from others. That´s their thugh´s mentality.

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The Baloch have no interest in Gwadar becoming another Switzerland

You see what this thug is talking? Why shouldn´t Baluch want a Pakistani Switzerland in their own land to feed their families, have an own economical factor, beeing the intersection of trading? It does not make any sense. He support his claim with the following sentence:

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The entire local population of Gwadar can be wiped out easily

That is already a note of him for wiping Baluchs out and take their lands, just to gain self power. But Baluchs are much powerfuler than Pashtuns are, even if they are a minority compared to Pashtuns.

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I charge all those who claim to have helped create Pakistan with injecting corruption in society

What a freaking bearded bastard

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Our [Punjabi] military and bureaucracy... have decided that they won't let democracy flourish

Here you can see that he is working with Paki government who are strongly anti-Baluchí. Pahtuns always were pro-Pakistan, even living in Iran, Afghanistan, Tajikistan or India.

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I hold likewise that the Pushtoon in Balochistan, while a minority, must be treated as equal citizens. That's all. I have told Dr Hayee that he's not being fair. His reply would be "bhai chara" [fraternity]. But if you separate bhai (brother) from chara (fodder), the latter is only given to animals. Balochistan is still our province. We don't want to spoil it. The way a Baloch supports a natural Balochistan, he should also support a natural Pushtoon land, a natural Seraiki land.

Now you can ask since when does Multan belong to Pashtuns? Multan was never part of Pakhtunwha. Multan is inhabitet by Pashtuns, but also by Multani self who are in majority, and historical belonged always to Panjab. But you can see his wet-dream effords. These people are thiefs, thugs, murderers. They need treathed as such one.

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But we have to tell the Baloch that they should be honest. When we don't want to be outnumbered by any community on our own land, then we should also allow other communities this right.

He claims Gwadar as ''his land'', far away from Pakhtunwha, near to Iran, and still call it as ''his land'', ''his rivers''. What a clown. Baluch nationalists need to solve the problem with him and his party, as soon as possible and show them who the owner of Baluchistan is.

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No area's geography, culture and history should be changed through political power and engineered population movement.

What a hypocrite. Psahtuns have stolen lands of Pashais, Swatis, Khostwals, Tarkanis, Burushkos, Gilgit people and now he come up with such a fake ''brothership'' and claim.

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The Pushtoon here were Afghan citizens till 1879.

Did Pashtuns hailed a ''Tazkera'' in 1879? I guess not. This man is a fanatic lier. The only aim he has is to annex all cities, villages and regions who are situated directly to the borders of Pakhtunwha (Mianwal and Attock) as part of his Pashtun land. But than one have to ask him what´s about the Hindkos and others who are not Psahtuns but maybe want an own state? Do he will accept their wishes and hopes or also try to steal their lands and pashtunize them?

Dear Asif, you can see, these people have all the same faces. They talk about brothership and Islam but in real they talk only about their own interests and do not care about Islam. They even would sell their own mothers and sisters.

[bukhari]

A lot of misconceptions here. Nobody is pushing anybody out of anywhere. People are having a hard time adjusting to the multi-ethnic realities of today. Political mafias/terrorists like mqm and anp certainly don't help with their singular ethnic outlook. Asif is mostly right with regards to the ethnic definitions and current ethnic makeup. The areas around Quetta and north of, are majority Pashtuns. Parsistani is also right. Though the pashtun fascists claim that this area should become part of their 'pakhtunwa', they forget that this area (including southern afghanistan) was land given by the khan of balochistan/kalat for pashtuns to settle. If they think their loy afghanistan/pashtunistan 'logic' works, then the baloch have equal right to claim ALL of current balochistan AND southern afghanistan.

[asif1986]

Parsistani, on 31 December 2010 - 10:05 AM, said:

Even if Pashtuns dominate Quetta, I doubt that they make ''60%''. The same game they play in Afghanistan, too. They added to their actual numbers some 25-30% more. Can you prove that Pashtuns make 60%?

The following article might answer your questions with regards to pakhtun population in pakistan.Its written by a pakhtun who describes how census are done in pakistan and how they affect pakhtuns.

http://21centuryrefo...e-pakhtuns.html

[Parsistani]

asif1986, on 02 January 2011 - 06:16 PM, said:

The following article might answer your questions with regards to pakhtun population in pakistan.Its written by a pakhtun who describes how census are done in pakistan and how they affect pakhtuns.

http://21centuryrefo...e-pakhtuns.html

That his claim about 40mio. Pashtun is neither reliable nor a fact is a reality. The population density is the best proof that Pashtuns claim is wrong and only based on their fake nationalism. Pashtuns self are a mix of former Indian tribes, Hindus, Pakistanis, Swatis and many more but still their number can´t be more than 18-20mio. people in Pakistan. Pakhtunwha is a very small ''country''. Where does it hosts at least 15mio people? And linguistic has nothing to do with ethnical cencus. Why Pashtuns cry therefore? The smae BS they claim is happing in Pakistan, the filthy Pashtuns did and still do in Afghanistan. They even count non-Pashtun Pashtuspeakers as Pashtuns, plus Persianspeaking Pashtuns who lost everything Pashtunic. Isn´t that hypocritical? Death to these banamoosa. The Pakis know who to deal with Pashtuns and can very good differenciate between Pashtuns, Pashtuspeaker and non-Pashtuns. And exactly that is what happens. For example, Hazaras in Quetta are Pashtuspeaker...but Pashtuns claim them as Pashtuns just because of their language. Does that make sense? Btw, there are also cencus made by foreign NGOs, specially UK or American NGOs, who do the job for Pakistanis. And for the fact that Pashtuns getting more and more Panjabis, hey, who cares. They assimilated mio. of non-Pashtuns to their odd language but when did a Pashtun said against it something? When did a filthy Harami stood up and said something against the policy of Nadir and Daud, Amanullah Padarnalat Kharzai, or Najib, Taraki, Amin or Mohmand? Do you get the point? As long Pashtuns are not the victims the world is OK for them but when they taste the own crime they cry like a typical Peshwari whore ala Shaysta, Naghma and Bibi Jana. To much barking for nothing...and no evidances.

[asif1986]

Parsistani, on 02 January 2011 - 07:59 PM, said:

That his claim about 40mio. Pashtun is neither reliable nor a fact is a reality. The population density is the best proof that Pashtuns claim is wrong and only based on their fake nationalism. Pashtuns self are a mix of former Indian tribes, Hindus, Pakistanis, Swatis and many more but still their number can´t be more than 18-20mio. people in Pakistan. Pakhtunwha is a very small ''country''. Where does it hosts at least 15mio people? And linguistic has nothing to do with ethnical cencus. Why Pashtuns cry therefore? The smae BS they claim is happing in Pakistan, the filthy Pashtuns did and still do in Afghanistan. They even count non-Pashtun Pashtuspeakers as Pashtuns, plus Persianspeaking Pashtuns who lost everything Pashtunic. Isn´t that hypocritical? Death to these banamoosa. The Pakis know who to deal with Pashtuns and can very good differenciate between Pashtuns, Pashtuspeaker and non-Pashtuns. And exactly that is what happens. For example, Hazaras in Quetta are Pashtuspeaker...but Pashtuns claim them as Pashtuns just because of their language. Does that make sense? Btw, there are also cencus made by foreign NGOs, specially UK or American NGOs, who do the job for Pakistanis. And for the fact that Pashtuns getting more and more Panjabis, hey, who cares. They assimilated mio. of non-Pashtuns to their odd language but when did a Pashtun said against it something? When did a filthy Harami stood up and said something against the policy of Nadir and Daud, Amanullah Padarnalat Kharzai, or Najib, Taraki, Amin or Mohmand? Do you get the point? As long Pashtuns are not the victims the world is OK for them but when they taste the own crime they cry like a typical Peshwari whore ala Shaysta, Naghma and Bibi Jana. To much barking for nothing...and no evidances.

Why did you bring afghani pashtuns into this,i was only discussing pakistani pakhtuns.the pakhtuns in north balochistan had also boycotted the last census done in 1998.
http://www.paktribun...ex.shtml?221964
Akram Shah claimed though they had boycotted the 1998 census, according to their own estimates, Pakhtuns were at least half of Balochista’s total population.

[Parsistani]

A Baluch writer about Pashtunism and Pashtun claims on Baluchistan and as part of the fake and never existed and utopic ''Loy Awghanistan'' (''Greater Awghanistan'')
http://www.khawaran....balochistan.pdf

Zendabaad Baluchs. Fight for your partition from Awghan Terrorists of Pakistan!!

[Kakar]

Parsistani, on 14 January 2011 - 08:00 PM, said:

A Baluch writer about Pashtunism and Pashtun claims on Baluchistan and as part of the fake and never existed and utopic ''Loy Awghanistan'' (''Greater Awghanistan'')
http://www.khawaran....balochistan.pdf

Zendabaad Baluchs. Fight for your partition from Awghan Terrorists of Pakistan!!

your historical mumbo jumbo aside, Quetta is a Pakhtun city

parts of Balochistan are Pakhtun, majority is Baloch

I support 100% our Balochi brothers in their fight, which is not against Pakhtun but Punjabi state of Pakistan

you are creating divisions

Ahmad Shah and Mirwais Khan both had alliances with Baloch

Baloch and Pakhtun are brothers

liberate Merv and Samarkand then discuss Quetta

[Parsistani]

Kakar, on 14 January 2011 - 09:42 PM, said:

your historical mumbo jumbo aside, Quetta is a Pakhtun city

parts of Balochistan are Pakhtun, majority is Baloch

I support 100% our Balochi brothers in their fight, which is not against Pakhtun but Punjabi state of Pakistan

you are creating divisions

Ahmad Shah and Mirwais Khan both had alliances with Baloch

Baloch and Pakhtun are brothers

liberate Merv and Samarkand then discuss Quetta

Uneducated loser,

Ahmaq Khan Gaydali did not allied himself with Baluchs nor did Baluchs served Ahmaq Khan Gaydali Multani Panjabi. They revolted and the Gay with his ass cancer Gaydali had to talk with them and was even forced to pay bribes to Baluchs to make them loyal. Mir Wais Khan, The Gay of Quetta, who was himself a quartal Baluch, a quartal Dravid and a quartal a filthy Jat and a quartal Pashtun and Pakhtuspeaker (that´s why you call him as Pashtun), had no influence on Baluchs. Baluchs were independant. Quetta is a multi-ethnical city. For Baluchs, it would easy to erase the donkeyzais from their cities and as you can read the article, you will see how they will hunt you and throw you all into the sindh river, out of their country and cities, including Quetta. Baluch never wanted to be part of Pakistan or Afghanistan or the utopic ''Loy Awghanistan''. Pathans are closely co-working with ISI and Pnajabis against Baluchs. They want to take over their country to reach the ocean. Even if you would be able, you can neither swim, build anything like a ship, nor take profit from it. You have no the brain and talent. Your loy Awghanistan are the sulaiman mountains, Fata and Pakhtunwha...that´s all and is already populated by Pashtuns.

We do not need to liverat Samarqand. Samarqand is already Tajik, as well as 1/3 of Uzbekistan. But go and free your mum from Arabs and Babur Gul and other Pakis, you hypocrite dog. Take your ''loy Awghanistan'' and tuck it there where only Arabs and Babur Gul with his Paki compariots tuck their magic sticks, you namak haram. Stop barking.

Marv is 100% a Turkmen city. It´s Iranian population moved to Iran and southern Khorasan if not large part of them were killed by the Mongols, you uneducated wannabe historian. Go nakho. Today, Turkmen kill squads are hunting you within your own home