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Posted 30 December 2010 - 05:26 AM

Another article showing the issues of Iran-TJ

http://www.interfax-...t=news&div=7984

Dushanbe, December 3, Interfax - The speaker of the lower chamber of Tajikistan's parliament, Shukurjon Zuhurov, asked Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to help transfer Tajik students studying at Iran's religious academies to secular universities at a meeting in Tehran on Thursday, the Tajik parliament press service said.

"Today our republic needs engineers, doctors, lawyers and other top-class specialists much more than it needs mullahs," Zuhurov said.

Earlier, Dushanbe simply asked Tehran to return such students, forcing them to become migrant workers or join the unemployed.

"Tajikistan has a sufficient number of its own madrassas and the Islamic University. The country's Islamic center also sends a required number of citizens willing to receive religious education to foreign theological institutions every year," Zuhurov said.

In late August, Tajik President Emomali Rahmon said he was seriously concerned about Tajik citizens studying at religious universities abroad who return home as "terrorists and extremists".

Rahmon demanded that the parents of such students return them to Tajikistan immediately.

More than 1,000 Tajik citizens who attended religious universities in Egypt, Iran and Pakistan returned to Tajikistan at the end of November.

Dushanbe claims that all of them returned home "voluntarily", but, according to local media reports, officers of Tajik special services "worked with all of the students for a long time to persuade them to go back" to Tajikistan.
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Posted 11 January 2011 - 03:11 PM

thats good, secularism is the way forward.
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Posted 12 January 2011 - 11:01 AM

View PostNader Shah, on 30 December 2010 - 03:26 PM, said:

"Today our republic needs engineers, doctors, lawyers and other top-class specialists much more than it needs mullahs," Zuhurov said.

Earlier, Dushanbe simply asked Tehran to return such students, forcing them to become migrant workers or join the unemployed.


True, True, True. It's good to see Zuhurov is standing up for well being of beautiful nation of Tajikistan, also future and prosperity of the nation and people.
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Posted 17 January 2011 - 01:58 AM

I wish our oppressed countrymen in Iran could have said the same thing without being throw in jail.

There is no doubt that Iran will be freed from the yoke of religious dictatorship in the near future.

I am glad Tajikistan is free of religious dictatorship and obscurantism.

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True, True, True. It's good to see Zuhurov is standing up for well being of beautiful nation of Tajikistan, also future and prosperity of the nation and people.

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 03:21 PM

View PostSohrab, on 11 January 2011 - 04:11 PM, said:

thats good, secularism is the way forward.


First of all, you're an idiot for saying that. Second, the Tajik government, especially Rahman, is also an idiot for thinking that the problem of religious fanaticism results from religious education, especially in places like Iran. If anything, it's the other way around, for, intellectually speaking, Iran is one of the most advanced of Islamic countries in every subject of scientific enquiry. Rahman needs to understand that the sort of thing he's trying to foist upon the people of Tajikistan (i.e. securalism), in hopes of eradicating what he, wrongly, considers to be the problem of religious fanaticism, is really the other extreme opposite of the latter. Instead, the government needs to take a middle way, which is a return to a traditional understanding of the nature of religion, and not endorse what is today really just the opposite of religious fanaticism, namely securalism, which is what they're doing. If not, don't be surprised if more and more of Wahhabi minded people start to showing themselves and thereby causing more problems for everybody in general.
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Posted 28 March 2011 - 03:26 PM

View PostNader Shah, on 17 January 2011 - 02:58 AM, said:

I am glad Tajikistan is free of religious dictatorship and obscurantism.


You're glad that "Tajikistan is free of religious dictatorship and obscurantism" and is instead not free from secular dictatorship and "obscurantism" (whatever that's supposed to mean here)? Greak thinking there Mr. Nader Shah.
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Posted 29 March 2011 - 11:20 AM

View PostIshraq, on 28 March 2011 - 04:26 PM, said:

You're glad that "Tajikistan is free of religious dictatorship and obscurantism" and is instead not free from secular dictatorship and "obscurantism" (whatever that's supposed to mean here)? Greak thinking there Mr. Nader Shah.


Salam and Dorood dear Ishraq,

may I ask from where you are? Are you a Tajikistani brother? You are right with your assumptation. Sending young Mullahs to Iran to keep Taj away from Wahabism or something else is wrong. I guess Rahman is to much concerned on Tajikistan´s politic and it´s neighbours, specially Uzbekistan, an traditional enemy of Tajikistan. That´s why he is described as ''dictator''. He does not want Uzbekistan taking part in Tajikistan.
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Posted 29 March 2011 - 10:08 PM

Salam Parsistani,

I'm from Tajikistan, but live in Canada.

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Sending young Mullahs to Iran to keep Taj away from Wahabism or something else is wrong.

You misunderstood me. I didn't say that Rahman's sending of 'young Mullahs' to Tajikistan is wrong. Rather, I said he should be doing the complete opposite as he does not adequately understand the cause of the Wahhabi-like mentality (or religous fanaticism). Hence, his so-called solution to the problem (i.e. calling back Tajik students studying in foreign countries, not allowing female students to wear hijabs in universities, etc, etc,) is also flawed.
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Posted 30 March 2011 - 05:59 PM

Ishraq, try to engage in discustion rather than name calling people.
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Posted 30 March 2011 - 08:35 PM

View PostSohrab, on 30 March 2011 - 06:59 PM, said:

Ishraq, try to engage in discustion rather than name calling people.

I'm doing both.
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Posted 02 April 2011 - 09:18 AM

View PostIshraq, on 30 March 2011 - 09:35 PM, said:

I'm doing both.


dont do both, you dont have the right of name calling, here we come to debate, you barely know me and yet call me idiot. you got your opinion and i got mine, no need to act irresponsibly.
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Posted 03 April 2011 - 03:31 AM

View PostSohrab, on 02 April 2011 - 10:18 AM, said:

dont do both, you dont have the right of name calling, here we come to debate, you barely know me and yet call me idiot. you got your opinion and i got mine, no need to act irresponsibly.

No, if you make idiotic statements I do have the right to call you whatever I want. And that's what I'll do. Whether or not I know you is irrelevant. Besides, I've already enganged you on the point, so I suggest that instead of telling me what I have the right to do or not to do - something which you don't have the right to do - why don't you say something relevant to the topic at hand? And name calling is not irresponsible. What is irresponsible though is making the kind of statement which you made.
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Posted 03 April 2011 - 12:20 PM

View PostIshraq, on 03 April 2011 - 04:31 AM, said:

No, if you make idiotic statements I do have the right to call you whatever I want. And that's what I'll do. Whether or not I know you is irrelevant. Besides, I've already enganged you on the point, so I suggest that instead of telling me what I have the right to do or not to do - something which you don't have the right to do - why don't you say something relevant to the topic at hand? And name calling is not irresponsible. What is irresponsible though is making the kind of statement which you made.


i cant believe that somebody like you is from Tajikistan. Bigoted and someone who is forcing his opinion on the others. If my opinion looks idiotic to you, trust me your opinion looks idiotic to me, but i never calls you idiot. Here is the differnece in opinon and it should remain so.
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Posted 03 April 2011 - 01:10 PM

We are all from the same nation. We shouldn´t attack ourself. Let that for our enemies. Never allow a foreigner to say something bad to Tajiks or about Tajiks. United we are better and greater. Our regionalism started like that. Once it was nothing, it was just a little familiar affair among to brothers but with time it reached new dimensions and people began to identify themself as Kabuli, Parvani, Nangahari, Qandahari, Bukhari etc. That´s dangerous for us.
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Posted 03 April 2011 - 02:32 PM

View PostSohrab, on 03 April 2011 - 01:20 PM, said:

i cant believe that somebody like you is from Tajikistan. Bigoted and someone who is forcing his opinion on the others. If my opinion looks idiotic to you, trust me your opinion looks idiotic to me, but i never calls you idiot. Here is the differnece in opinon and it should remain so.

So you can't believe I'm from Tajikistan because I'm supposedly (according to you) "bigoted"? As if implying that just because you're from that place it ipso facto means you will not be bigoted? That's just, I'm sorry to say, plainly idiotic. And I didn't try and force my opinion on you; I simply stated why I think yours (and Rahman's) is idiotic and wrong. Sure, my opinion my look that way to you as well but, unlike me, you haven't given me reasons why. So please go ahead and tell my why "secularism is the way forward" instead beating around the bush (with irrelevant talk about who has the 'right' to do this and that).
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Posted 03 April 2011 - 05:17 PM

^^ok, thanks for the post..............
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Posted 07 April 2011 - 08:31 PM

View PostSohrab, on 03 April 2011 - 06:17 PM, said:

^^ok, thanks for the post..............


Here have a look at this. It's an instance of your type of thinking at work. "[L]ocal authorities discovered two teenagers were praying there in violation of the new law on religion that bars people under 18 from attending public places of worship." What happened to articles 8 and 26 of the so-called 'Constitution of Tajikistan'? Shameless I say...
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