[قزلباش]

Arash Tehrani, on 15 February 2011 - 05:17 PM, said:

Humans are always changing. What humans want and value today is not the same as yesterday. Yesterday, men believed women are too dumb to vote. Now they don't. Along with different ways of thinking comes different demands for how society, indeed the human condition, should be. In India, people are indoctrinated to accept that they are born into castes, and if they belong to a lower caste, they should not use their intellect to study and become successful, because it would violate their caste. So they believe even though they might have the potential, they should not use it and get a job as a sweeper. This is in today's world unique to India and their cultural sphere. If ideas about how society should function differs from region to region, then it certainly does in different times as well.

Today is not yesterday, and tomorrow is not today.

You are merely describing changes in man-made social conventions.
The essential truths remain the same because the essential truths are outside the reach of man.

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Parsi_zaban, on 15 February 2011 - 05:23 PM, said:

lol, let the forum clown have his moment.after all it is khamenei and ahmadinejad they idealize!!!!!

Hey idiot,

Sana Jaleh was a Basiji and, in all likelihood, Mohammad Mokhtari was too
Dont try to portray yourselves as the victims

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Parsi_zaban, on 15 February 2011 - 05:28 PM, said:

you can be sure secular iran will change the tajik situation by 180 degrees.

You sabz clowns are the most selfish people on the planet.
You dont give a hoot about your countrymen, let alone Persians outside Iran.

The only change that would happen is that you would turn North Tehran into a huge barn where everyone is humping everyone and you would entirely forget about everything and everyone else.

[Arash Tehrani]

قزلباش, on 16 February 2011 - 02:21 AM, said:

You are merely describing changes in man-made social conventions.

Yes, and you expressed a desire for the social conventions that Shah Ismail would want. Shah Ismail lived in the 16th century. He would want social conventions fitting to that time. You expressed a desire for the man-made social conventions of the 16th century. Again: because you are stupid.

[قزلباش]

Arash Tehrani, on 15 February 2011 - 08:38 PM, said:

Yes, and you expressed a desire for the social conventions that Shah Ismail I would want. Shah Ismail lived in the 16th century. You expressed a desire for the man-made social conventions of the 16th century. Again: because you are stupid.

Lets stop dancing around the issue.

You are either dumb or mischievous.
I hope you realize that i am referring to religion.

Shah Ismail's conventions apply to the present day because they were rooted in religion. since religion exists in the the realm of the divine, it is timeless.

[Arash Tehrani]

Religion is the personal choice of the people. It should never be a social convention (law). Try again.

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Arash Tehrani, on 15 February 2011 - 08:47 PM, said:

Religion is also man-made. Try again.

So we have identified your problem; you are a murtad

Many sabz hooligans share your problem

I hope you are going through a phase because i, too, was very confused back in my teenage years.
You might also conceivably be one of those irredeemable senior citizen murtads out in California.

I hope for your sake that you are the former rather than the latter.

[Arash Tehrani]

What I am, and am not is not your business, according to your own Holy Qur'an:



2:256 Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.

16:82 But if they turn away from you, (O Prophet remember that) your only duty is a clear delivery of the Message (entrusted to you).

88:21, 22 And so, (O Prophet!) exhort them your task is only to exhort; you cannot compel them to believe.

36:16, 17 (Three Messengers to their people)Said (the Messengers), "Our Sustainer knows that we have indeed been sent unto you, but we are not bound to more than clearly deliver the Message entrusted to us.'

39:41 Assuredly, We have sent down the Book to you in right form for the good of man. Whoso guided himself by it does so to his own advantage, and whoso turns away from it does so at his own loss. You certainly are not their keeper.



Try again.

[AbuMuslim]

Arash Tehrani, on 16 February 2011 - 01:54 AM, said:

What I am, and am not is not your business, according to your own Holy Qur'an:



2:256 Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.

16:82 But if they turn away from you, (O Prophet remember that) your only duty is a clear delivery of the Message (entrusted to you).

88:21, 22 And so, (O Prophet!) exhort them your task is only to exhort; you cannot compel them to believe.

36:16, 17 (Three Messengers to their people)Said (the Messengers), "Our Sustainer knows that we have indeed been sent unto you, but we are not bound to more than clearly deliver the Message entrusted to us.'

39:41 Assuredly, We have sent down the Book to you in right form for the good of man. Whoso guided himself by it does so to his own advantage, and whoso turns away from it does so at his own loss. You certainly are not their keeper.



Try again.

lollllzzz
hundreds of thousands turned up on friday in pro-regime rallies
only few thousand for 25 bahman. out of them 90% is also muslim and mortads and atash parasts are a handful who are day dreaming

[Arash Tehrani]

AbuMuslim, on 16 February 2011 - 04:06 AM, said:

out of them 90% is also muslim

So? Their agenda is still the same as ours. It makes no difference.

And if you quit hitting them in the head you will see how many the Greens really are. But you will not do that, because you are afraid of the truth. But in the end, you said so yourself: a few thousand showed up on 25 Bahman. A few thousand came out despite of tear gas, batons and bullets. That means they are in reality many times that.

[Parsi_zaban]

AbuMuslim, on 15 February 2011 - 08:06 PM, said:

lollllzzz
hundreds of thousands turned up on friday in pro-regime rallies
only few thousand for 25 bahman. out of them 90% is also muslim and mortads and atash parasts are a handful who are day dreaming

Dont talk about a country and people who you have no idea about. more like 10-20 thousand showed up at 22 bahaman and 300-400 thousand in 25 bahman. IF you have been brained washed to kiss arab ass and practice arab religion which was forced upon your ancestors with the tip of the sword its up to you, but keep your hostility in regards to real proud persians who embrace the zorastrian culture with every ounce of their being.

[Parsi_zaban]

Arash Tehrani, on 15 February 2011 - 08:30 PM, said:

So? Their agenda is still the same as ours. It makes no difference.

And if you quit hitting them in the head you will see how many the Greens really are. But you will not do that, because you are afraid of the truth. But in the end, you said so yourself: a few thousand showed up on 25 Bahman. A few thousand came out despite of tear gas, batons and bullets. That means they are in reality many times that.

Abu muslim is another brain washed puppet. Although he is most likely a pashtun from Afghanistan.

[Gul agha]

AbuMuslim, on 16 February 2011 - 03:06 AM, said:

lollllzzz
hundreds of thousands turned up on friday in pro-regime rallies
only few thousand for 25 bahman. out of them 90% is also muslim and mortads and atash parasts are a handful who are day dreaming

Who are these Atash-parasts Abu Muslim aziz?

[Arash Tehrani]

There's no use in reasoning with these brainwashed slaves of the ayatollahs. They have no arguments. All they have is "loolzzz", and they think they won the debate. There is no reasoning behind their actions because their masters does the thinking for them and they follow blindly.

- We must kill the Greens!
- Why?
- Because they are the minority, and they want to impose their ways on the majority!
- If they are the minority, how are they going to impose their ways on the majority?
- With force!
- You have the government behind you. They are people with placards. I think you're safe.
- But we must still kill them!
- Why?
- Because they are murtads!
- OK. Why must we kill them because they are murtads?
- Because they are murtads!
- But see, you didn't give a reason, you just repeated your opinion.
- Because they are Murtads!!!
- ...
- BECAUSE THEY ARE MURTADS!!
- I haven't said anything yet...
- BECAUSE THEY ARE MURTADS!!


These are not human beings. They are walking mindless zombies who are nothing more than mouthpieces of their master, and are told what to think, what to like, what to hate. No independent thinking. Like a record player is in their heads, and if they can't answer your question it hits a scratch and they just start repeating the same logicless diatribe.

[Parsistani]

AbuMuslim, on 16 February 2011 - 03:06 AM, said:

lollllzzz
hundreds of thousands turned up on friday in pro-regime rallies
only few thousand for 25 bahman. out of them 90% is also muslim and mortads and atash parasts are a handful who are day dreaming

The faith does not play any role in a political movement. In Egypt, nearly every Muslim was against the regime. It´s not about religion, but about the social and poltical developement of a country.

Have anyone from both side tried to talk with eachother?

[Arash Tehrani]

A few thousand.

[Arash Tehrani]

Parsistani, on 16 February 2011 - 02:13 PM, said:

Have anyone from both side tried to talk with eachother?

This started as a reform movement. That means they were willing to keep most of the status quo, and their goal was to talk with the other side to find areas where they could agree on compromises. Indeed, the Green Movement leaders are themselves part of the Majles. All day long they talk to the other side. But the other side has shown no willingness to listen.

[Parsistani]

From 2008

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The 2008 elections were the eighth to be held since the Islamic Revolution in 1979. In January 2007, the minimum voting age was raised from 15 to 18 years. There is no party system, and the main political forces are generally considered to be conservatives (often referred to as principle-ists or fundamentalists) and reformists. In the previous elections, held in February 2004, conservatives won over 150 seats, while reformists took 40. The remainder went to independent candidates.

Conservatives uphold the principles of the Islamic Revolution and are divided into two main groups: the United Principle-ist Front (UPF) and the Broad Principle-ist Front (BPF). The UPF supports President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who was elected in 2005 on the pledge to bring oil revenues to every family and tackle poverty and unemployment. The BPF had supported Mr. Ahmadinejad in 2005, but reportedly shifted its support to the former chief nuclear negotiator, Mr. Ali Ardeshir Larijani, who resigned from the post in 2007 citing differences with President Ahmadinejad.

Reformists advocate press liberalization and the promotion of civil society organizations in the country. In December 2007, former President Mohammad Khatami announced that he would lead the Coalition of Reformists in the 2008 elections. This Coalition comprised the Islamic Iran Participation Front, founded by Mr. Mohammad Reza Khatami (the former president's brother), and the Organization of Mujaheddin of the Islamic Revolution and Civil Servants, led by former president Akbar Hashemi-Rafsanjani.

Nearly 7,600 citizens submitted candidacies for the 2008 elections. Around 40 per cent of these were rejected as "unsuitable" by the Guardian Council (a body of clerics and jurists whose responsibilities include ensuring compatibility between legislation and Islam). Many of the rejected candidates - including former ministers and outgoing members of the Islamic Consultative Assembly - were reportedly members of the Coalition of Reformists.

In the end, around 4,600 candidates were allowed to run. Women accounted for 8 per cent of candidates, down from 10 per cent in the 2004 elections.

At stake were 285 of the 290 seats in the Islamic Consultative Assembly (the remainder being reserved for religious minorities, see note).

The economy and the nuclear programme took centre-stage in the campaign. Both reformists and some conservatives criticised President Ahmadinejad. Although the country's official unemployment rate was 10 per cent, many experts argued that the real figure was higher. Conservatives (in particular the UPF) argued that the government's nuclear policy was key to the Republic's defence from "all forms of foreign hegemony". Reformists accused President Ahmadinejad of mishandling ongoing negotiations on the nuclear programme and promised to establish better relations with the West.

Approximately 50 per cent of the 49 million eligible voters turned out at the polls on 13 and 14 March, while only 26 per cent participated in the run-off elections of 25 April.

A total of 45,000 national observers worked under the supervision of the Interior Ministry. There were no foreign observers.

The Guardian Council validated the results for 205 seats (including the five reserved for religious minorities) in the first round. Another 81 candidates were elected in the run-off elections. The results for four seats (one from the first round and three from the run-off elections) were invalidated by the Guardian Council and would be decided in by-elections to be held at the same time as the 2009 presidential elections.

The final results showed that conservatives had won about 200 seats. Reformists took about 50 seats and independents obtained about 40. Following the results, some independent candidates joined the conservative and parliamentary groups, bringing the total seats for conservatives to 210 and for reformists to 60. Some 20 members of parliament remain independent. In all, eight women were elected, down from 14 in the outgoing legislature.

The newly elected Islamic Consultative Assembly held its first session on 27 May. On the following day, it elected Mr. Larijani as its temporary Speaker. He was confirmed as the official Speaker on 1 June.

Note:
Five seats are reserved for the following minorities.
Zoroastrians: 1
Jews: 1
Assyrian and Chaldean Christians: 1
Armenian Christians in the north of the country: 1
Armenian Christians in the south of the country: 1

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Summary of 14 March/25 April 2008 Parliament of Iran election results Coalition Seats (1st rd.) Seats (2nd rd.) Seats (Total) %
Conservatives 143 52 195 67.2%
Reformists 31 20 51 17.9%
Independents 29 10 39 13.4%
Armenians recognized minority religion 2 2 0.6%
Assyrian and Chaldean (Catholic) recognized minority religion 1 1 0.3%
Jewish recognized minority religion 1 1 0.3%
Zoroastrian recognized minority religion 1 1 0.3%
Total (Turnout: 60%) 208 82 290 100%

http://en.wikipedia....epublic_of_Iran

[Parsistani]

[Arash Tehrani]

Parazit 43
Interview with Mohsen Sazegara and Mazyar Bahari (extended), part 1
Part 2