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Posted 11 March 2011 - 06:24 PM

Sorry for bad english.
The Ahura-Mazda, in my view, correctly translated as Creator-Regulator. A certain limit first principle, the root cause which gave birth to regularity, which is a necessity - a universal law of harmony and development, generating a whole world of phenomena, including the phenomenon of matter-space-time, where matter organizes itself into conformity of the Act. The result of self-organization of elementary particles was the atom, so God is the creator of the atom, resulting in self-organization atoms appeared inanimate matter, then alive, then a reasonable living. Thus God is the creator of man. in the organization is a dual process of maintaining order and creating a new institutional order - Creation-Regulation. In Zoroastrianism it is all combined in Ahura Mazda. In Greek school Creator - Zeus, but a universal law of harmony is his "word" - logos. The Egyptians creator - Ra, and the personification of order, his son Horus, who is struggling with the chaos - Seth. In egiptian school a union of Ra-Horahte is similar to the Zoroastrian concept.
In the Gathas of Zarathushtra language of metaphors and allegories are very well described the dialectical qualitative picture of the world. A 7-level model Ameshaspantov similar to the 7-level model, Open Systems Interconnection (ISO / OSI), used as a functional abstract model for digital communication networks (Internet, etc.).
Its meaning is as follows. Reasonable activity of man - a natural stage of development in line with the World Act. With the advent of intelligent activity appeared duality proper and improper. Tribute to this SpentaManyu (Spenta-saint, Magno-spirit from the word Man-thought) - Good spirit, or just good. Improper - it AngriManyu (Angra-evil) - The evil spirit or just evil. Manyo is usually translated "spirit", but this word just implies the binding of good and evil to the intelligent activity, not just the consideration of how certain of the absolute universe of concepts.
In the Gathas it is said that a person chooses between the 2-name "spirits."
Spentamanyu - good spirit represented by the following model.
Individual resource:
1.Vohuman (Good Consciousness) - in agreement with him must be thought
2. Art Vahishta (natural and harmonious natural order in the projection on reasonable activities) - in agreement with her must be words and deeds
Public resource:
3.Hshatra Varya (Decent Control, Desired Power) - must be based on the previous resource
4.Spenta Armaiti (from management, Pious Culture) - feedback fosters individual resource
Criteria for the award and previous resource:
5. Haurvatat (welfare in the broadest sense, physical, mental, financial, spiritual)
6. Ameretat (Sustainability, Viability)
Accordingly, this evil spirit
1. An evil thought, generating
2. Perverted disharmonic order, generating
3. Vicious power generating
4. Perverse culture that generates
5. Trouble generating
6. Death
Accordingly Spentamanyu a projection of Ahura-Mazda to reasonable activities and together with it forming a 7-level model.And the evil spirit is merely a side effect, the ability to go on a vicious path, leading to death.
Yazaty in Zoroastrianism is the third rank of the system and represent the private decent quality.
So there we have 3-rank model:
1. Ahura (for the whole of nature)
2. AmeshaSpenta (for all reasonable activities)
3. Yazaty (private aspects of life)
As for symbolism, the fire and the sun is just a symbol representsthe law of Life, the world movement. Unlike the Egyptian schools,where only the sun, in Zoroastrianism, the dual symbolism,embodying the dual world - the social and natural.
I think the most appropriate translation of the word Avesta is Charter.
We know that before Daena 2 (edition of Zarathushtra) was Daena 1 -desultory pagan polytheism. Motto Daena 1 - came, saw,conquered. Motto Daena 2 - good thoughts, good words, good deeds. Now it's time for Daena 3, motto - good philosophy, good science, good technology.
Today is the era of technology (not only technical but also social), which was born from the previous era of science. Era of science was born from the era of philosophy. This is similar to how deeds are born from the words and the words are born out of thoughts.
And the first thing we must say that modern science does notcorrectly put questions. Because it is not entirely correct to call Zoroastrianism - the religion. Because religion is, by definition, is belief in the supernatural. But Gathic Zoroastrianism teaches us that there is nothing beyond nature. A poetic personification of the god is just an allegory. We should use the term godlogy. And divide godlogy on religion(supernatural,irrational) and philosophy(natural,rationalistic). Themain question godlogy - "supernatural beings or abstract entities?" unlike the stupid question "monotheism or polytheism?". Gathic Mazdayasna is a monistic philosophy. We must abandon the superstitious ritual profession of faith. The headquarters of political parties should become our new fire-temples. With regard to Freshkard this allegory related to the critical point of social evolution. Nothing more. We need to approach Freshkard by social political cooperation. I see Daena 3 as dualistic monism where the struggle of order and chaos defines the universal process, and where the law of nature is first reason which determines the order. This will bring Zoroastrianism under scientific criteria, where the truth is extracted by processing the information from observations and experiments(nothing more). The ancient era was era of observations, modern era is experiment era. We must revive Airanshahr and able to do so only Daena 3. We must fulfill the "prophecy" of the coming king Vahram. But it will not be old Airan doomed itself to failure, which resulted in a deadlock. It would be New Gathic AiranShahr. And we must concentrate all our efforts on creating a strong consistent system. Designed specifically for Netocratic society. Some people try to offer the Tajik authorities and society to change some rituals on others. This is a failing policy. We should offer an effective working model of personal and social development and harmony.We must kick out any abrahamism from AiranZameen!
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Posted 11 March 2011 - 08:34 PM

Thank you Pater for these informations. May I ask you if youself belong to the last remnants of Zoroastrians?
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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:00 PM

View PostParsistani, on 11 March 2011 - 11:34 PM, said:

Thank you Pater for these informations. May I ask you if youself belong to the last remnants of Zoroastrians?
No. My parents are secular/muslims. But after deep researching of history I inderstand that It's logical impossible to be patriotic Eroni/Tajiki and judeo/muslim/christian at the same time. This abrahamic religion were created to destroy any non-jewish,non-arab empires like Sasanid EronShahr or Roman Empire. There are not any respect to Eroni "pagan" heroes like Rustam, Fereydoon, Manuchehr etc. in true islam. Abrahamic religions is just instruments created for political nationalistic purposes.
Arab muslims(espescialy some clericals) in Egipt hate iranic people so much that even call Ahmad Shah's and all Afganistan muslims - kafirs, but Taliban called true muslims! http://www.youtube.c...h?v=m4dAl1Y_UHw let see!
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Posted 12 March 2011 - 09:48 AM

The dirty Arabs caused many things and they still can´t understand people are not from bedouine origine like them. Filthy Pashtuns brought any kind of dirt to Afghanistan. Death to these political condoms and traitors.

Well, abrahamic religions existed before the upcoming of Iranian civilisation. The Sabataean people and Jewish people are the oldest of the abrahamic people. Many aspects of modern monotheistic religions are in fact taken from Zoroastrianism. Be it baptism, the idea of good and bad, the never ending war between god and evil, the idea of a life in paradies etc. Even Buddhism was under Iranian influence. So you can´t claim such. The problem is those Arabs and those Jews have never accepted another branch of Islam or Jewism that differ from theirs. Other had to follow their ''cultural based'' Islam and Jewism otherwise one is called as infidel. Hypocritic people.
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