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Poll: What alphabet do you perfer for Persian? (44 member(s) have cast votes)

What alphabet do you perfer for Persian?

  1. Arabic (17 votes [38.64%])

    Percentage of vote: 38.64%

  2. Latin (8 votes [18.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.18%

  3. Cyrillic (3 votes [6.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.82%

  4. Arabic (modified) (11 votes [25.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  5. other (5 votes [11.36%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.36%

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 01:31 AM

What alphabet do you perfer for the Persian Language if you had a choice to change it.
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Posted 27 February 2008 - 01:52 AM


When the Latin letters adorned the new alphabet
Soon the demand became slow for the Arab alphabet

In the scientific era the new alphabet is like a plane
The Arabic alphabet is like a weak donkey in pain

Whoever learned the old alphabet in school
Remained ignorant and suffered like a fool

So easy is learning this new alphabet
That one can become in three weeks literate

The Arabic alphabet is hard to discern
It takes at least three precious years to learn

For a single sound it has several letters
But many sounds are around with no letters

The easiness of Latin one can judge by sight
When it is written from left instead of right

Each letter has a single form to describe
It is easier also for the person to scribe

Latin alphabet makes it impossible for Kard to become Kurd
or kisht as kusht, sayr as sir, dawr as dur, and mard as murd.

The arabic word aqil(wiseman) is like ghafil(ignorant), a dud
It does not distinguish also between the rose and mud

I and u and o have each no letter
Nor can a and e find themselves any better

For the z sound forms are suited to four
Hardships for non-Arabs more than before

For the sound of s you can have forms thrice
Pupils are like the cat, the forms are like the mice

Two letters for t, h and ayn each
Mastery for children is out of reach

Its poor technique has the world in puzzle
Order and reason never reached this muddle

While the worst person in the world is a tsarist officer
In cruelty abd atrocity no one can make him look better

Though tsarist princes are cruel and base
In infamy and harm the Arabic alphabet can win the race

We are joyful today when our luck turned good
And the Arab alphabet was kicked out for good.

A poem by Abdukwahid Munzim (Tajik Poet from Tajikistan)
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Posted 27 February 2008 - 02:28 AM

LOL. That was interesting. Did you translate it yourself?
Monzem (Munzim) had been ordered by the Soviets to write this poem prior to the alphabet change in 1929. They wanted to uproot whatever Persian and Muslin in the country. It didn't take longer than 10 years to realize that Latin was not convenient enough either. Because Iranians and Afghans could understand it easily. That's why they decided to Russify it in 1939.

[quote=Gul agha;6449]
When the Latin letters adorned the new alphabet
Soon the demand became slow for the Arab alphabet

In the scientific era the new alphabet is like a plane
The Arabic alphabet is like a weak donkey in pain

Whoever learned the old alphabet in school
Remained ignorant and suffered like a fool

So easy is learning this new alphabet
That one can become in three weeks literate

The Arabic alphabet is hard to discern
It takes at least three precious years to learn

For a single sound it has several letters
But many sounds are around with no letters

The easiness of Latin one can judge by sight
When it is written from left instead of right

Each letter has a single form to describe
It is easier also for the person to scribe

Latin alphabet makes it impossible for Kard to become Kurd
or kisht as kusht, sayr as sir, dawr as dur, and mard as murd.

The arabic word aqil(wiseman) is like ghafil(ignorant), a dud
It does not distinguish also between the rose and mud

I and u and o have each no letter
Nor can a and e find themselves any better

For the z sound forms are suited to four
Hardships for non-Arabs more than before

For the sound of s you can have forms thrice
Pupils are like the cat, the forms are like the mice

Two letters for t, h and ayn each
Mastery for children is out of reach

Its poor technique has the world in puzzle
Order and reason never reached this muddle

While the worst person in the world is a tsarist officer
In cruelty abd atrocity no one can make him look better

Though tsarist princes are cruel and base
In infamy and harm the Arabic alphabet can win the race

We are joyful today when our luck turned good
And the Arab alphabet was kicked out for good.

A poem from Abdukwahid Munzim (Tajik Poet from Tajikistan)[/quote]
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Posted 27 February 2008 - 02:32 AM

we created the Nast'alliq script and we must use it for our language. if we change our script, we would lose our calligraphy
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Posted 27 February 2008 - 02:39 AM

[quote=Tehran;6454]we created the Nast'alliq script and we must use it for our language. if we change our script, we would lose our calligraphy[/quote]

And not only. Hundreds of thousands of precious books will vanish as well.
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Posted 27 February 2008 - 03:06 AM

I found this poem in Mujaleh Paiman. I'm not in favor of changing the current alphabet but simply modifying it.
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Posted 27 February 2008 - 03:18 AM

Other than the historical argument - not losing our link to the past - which may not be valid anymore (converting all old texts to new alphabet can be computerized) ... there is one strong argument in favour of keeping the alphabet : because the differences in accents between Tajik-tajikistan, tajik-Afghanistan, Persian-Tehrani, and Persian-Isfahani, and so on ... having Arabic alphabet erases all differences and promotes the unity of the language. We with all write in the same way but read with slightly different pronunciations !!
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Posted 27 February 2008 - 03:25 AM

[quote=Darius;6456]And not only. Hundreds of thousands of precious books will vanish as well.[/quote]

the thought of not being able to read the poem inscribed on hafez's tomb is just SAD
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Posted 28 February 2008 - 05:37 AM

yes, definitely it would be good to keep Arabic one. but why not simplify it? just like Japanese have done? one "heh" instead of two, one "zeh" instead of 3, one "seh" instead of 3, one "teh" instead of 2, remove "ayn" from the beginnings of words but keep hamzeh(?), remove "qaf" (?) etc. we could simplify the writing of words that now are pronounced shortly by majority of persians, like "misheh/meshah" instead of mishavad/meshavad?
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Posted 29 February 2008 - 06:49 PM

The ancient Persians and their brothers used also ''semtic'', proto-arabic writing scripture (arameic). I do not cara about the alphabete but about the vocabulary. Maybe someone of us is very smart and develope a new alphabete?
I am against latin because we have different (including old iranian dialects ->soghdi) dialects and if we write in latin we wont understand eachother. Turks in turkey have often this problem. In that case arabic do not know such a problem. Arabic can have 1000 different dialects but everywhere you can see they write the same phrases with the same letters.
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Posted 01 March 2008 - 02:04 AM

[quote=Parsistani;6597]The ancient Persians and their brothers used also ''semtic'', proto-arabic writing scripture (arameic). I do not cara about the alphabete but about the vocabulary. Maybe someone of us is very smart and develope a new alphabete?
I am against latin because we have different (including old iranian dialects ->soghdi) dialects and if we write in latin we wont understand eachother. Turks in turkey have often this problem. In that case arabic do not know such a problem. Arabic can have 1000 different dialects but everywhere you can see they write the same phrases with the same letters.[/quote]
I doubt there is any need to create a new alphabet. The existing Perso-Arabic will do. All our forefathers have been using it and we don't need a division between us and them. We've seen it already twice in Tajikistan. Results are horrible. Thus perhaps we should keep what we have.
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Posted 01 March 2008 - 03:55 AM

Yes, I agree with you, Darius Jan.
[quote=Darius;6611]I doubt there is any need to create a new alphabet. The existing Perso-Arabic will do. All our forefathers have been using it and we don't need a division between us and them. We've seen it already twice in Tajikistan. Results are horrible. Thus perhaps we should keep what we have.[/quote]
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Posted 02 March 2008 - 05:58 AM

[quote=Darius;6611]I doubt there is any need to create a new alphabet. The existing Perso-Arabic will do. All our forefathers have been using it and we don't need a division between us and them. We've seen it already twice in Tajikistan. Results are horrible. Thus perhaps we should keep what we have.[/quote]

Absolutely. I agree with you for the following two handy reasons: first, there is an overwhelming number of Tajiks who live outside Tajikistan and who do not understand alphabets other than Perso-Arabic. Second, these Tajiks will be deprived of benefits by the Tajik scholarship produced in Tajikistan.

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Posted 07 March 2008 - 05:03 AM

Dorood Tehrani giromi:

Could you please comment on this: [quote=Tehran;6454]we created the Nast'alliq script and we must use it for our language. if we change our script, we would lose our calligraphy[/quote]

Little background and difference between Arabic and Nast'alliq would be great. Thank you.


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Posted 07 March 2008 - 03:10 PM

It doesnt matter what we use, as long as it connects us with each other and connects us with our past ,will be good.
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Posted 07 March 2008 - 03:17 PM

[quote=Rika Khana;6962]It doesnt matter what we use, as long as it connects us with each other and connects us with our past ,will be good.[/quote]

Exactly..
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Posted 07 March 2008 - 03:29 PM

[quote=Farangis;6963]Exactly..[/quote]

So nice to see you here Farangis. dorud and welcome!
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Posted 11 March 2008 - 01:13 AM

Dorood,

Here is what one of the Tajik scholars think of wich alphabet should be used in Tajikistan. Hope you will enjoy that.

Perooz bemaned,


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Posted 22 March 2008 - 10:23 PM

Dorood
bande bar in bavaram ke dabireye bigane be darde zabane ma nemikhorad che arabi bashad che roosi va che englisi . az dide man behtar ast yeki az dabirehaye pish az eslam ra be rooz konim va an ra be kar bebarim .
albatte in kar hargez nabayad be jodayie keshvarhaye parsi zaban daman bezanad yani in ke in 3 keshvar har kari ke mikhahand bokonand bayad ba hamrahi va hamkari bashad .
va anche roshan ast in ast ke dabireye arabi be khatare pishine ash az digar dabirehaye bigane behtar ast . migooyand : '' miyane bad va badtar bayad bad ra bargozid " .
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Posted 01 April 2008 - 10:02 PM

Bargasht ba dabireye (alefbaye) pish az Islam kare asane nest. Baraye bargasht ba alefbaye pish az Islam bayad nokhost zabane Parsi ra az kalemate arabi paak kard wa tamami kalemate asile farsi ra janeshine shan namood. ba taqibe an bayad tamami osaare adabi zabane Parsi ra ke pish az Islam negashta shoda ast, motalea kard wa az miane shan dabireye ra entekhab namood.

Agar Tajikan betwanand zabane Parsi qable Islam ra rayej nemayand, moafaqiate bozorg khwahad bood. Harch ast bayad ba zoodi anjam shawad. Dawlate Imam Ali Rahman dar in qesmat waqt gozarani mekonad wa baraye taghire khate cyrilic hich kare namekonad.
[quote=MH.nezhadaria;7832]Dorood
bande bar in bavaram ke dabireye bigane be darde zabane ma nemikhorad che arabi bashad che roosi va che englisi . az dide man behtar ast yeki az dabirehaye pish az eslam ra be rooz konim va an ra be kar bebarim .
albatte in kar hargez nabayad be jodayie keshvarhaye parsi zaban daman bezanad yani in ke in 3 keshvar har kari ke mikhahand bokonand bayad ba hamrahi va hamkari bashad .
va anche roshan ast in ast ke dabireye arabi be khatare pishine ash az digar dabirehaye bigane behtar ast . migooyand : '' miyane bad va badtar bayad bad ra bargozid " .[/quote]
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