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Posted 03 March 2008 - 11:29 PM

Good-bye Lenin - Tajiks tear down Soviet statue

DUSHANBE (Reuters) - Tajikistan has dismantled its last monument to Bolshevik leader Vladimir Lenin, bidding farewell to another vestige of its Soviet past.

The removal at the weekend followed last year's decision by President Imomali Rakhmon to rename Lenin park, where the statue was located, after Persian poet Rudaki.

Rakhmon, who has led Central Asia's poorest nation since 1992, has tried to stress his Persian roots and distance himself from the Soviet past with its heavy Russification, by dropping the Russian-style "-ov" ending from his surname.

The dismantling of the Lenin statue -- the last surviving one of many erected in Tajikistan under Soviet rule -- caused an outcry from the communists, the nation's second biggest party that supports Rakhmon on most issues.

"You can't do that. He was a great man," party official Subkhon Safialoyev lamented, sitting in a room decorated only by portraits of Lenin and his successor, Josef Stalin.

A poll conducted by popular weekly ASIA-Plus among showed 29 percent wanted the statue to stay.

But the most popular answer, chosen by 39 percent of the readers, was: "Haven't we got any other problems?"


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Posted 03 March 2008 - 11:33 PM

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Posted 04 March 2008 - 01:38 AM

I am not a communist. But I know one thing, that Tajiks of Tajikistan got a freedom from turkish opression only with a help of leninists. Whatever you say, Lenin did a lot for the opressed people as tajiks. Otherwise tajiks would have grown turkified. But Stalin was a bad man It was him who did not give tajiks their lands and began the policy of worshipping of russian nation as a "Great Nation". It was far from lenin International. Manghits led the policy of destroying tajiks Leninists helped tajiks to rebuild their state and enabled them to write such a great book "Tajikan".

In the memory of Lenin:

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Posted 04 March 2008 - 04:27 AM

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Posted 04 March 2008 - 05:28 AM

i think it's a great day for tajiks today.cellebrating our own heritage by renaming the park ofter our own great poet,
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Posted 04 March 2008 - 07:19 AM

Lenin has made not anything bad for Tajiks of Tajikistan. He has made for us only good. I respect with Lenin, but I am not communist. We should respect with him. I was sad, when heard that his monument took down. It is necessary to replace his monument from the center of Dushanbe to other area of city, but to not destroy it. Lenin is a part of our history.
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Posted 04 March 2008 - 09:34 AM

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Lenin was a good guy (was an atheist thogh :) - just kidding), himself. I think he is one of the key figures in history who changed the course of history and now millions of people cherish their memories about him and his contribution. As to us, I think he had as bad as good impacts. So, it just depends how one defines it. Anyhow, I like that guy and actually impressed once by some of his implementations of basics of capitalism into socialism.


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Posted 04 March 2008 - 09:37 AM

Yes, Lenin and Che Guevara for example were great communists :)
We should be.....National-Communist :D

There is nothing wrong with respect Lenin.....But I am against russianizing of Tajiks in Tajikistan!
The Russians forced their language etc on Tajiks in Tajikistan! Like the Afghans did with Tajiks of Afghanistan!
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Posted 04 March 2008 - 10:34 AM

Dorood Rustam jaan:

It has been a while since we talked, huh? :)

Good to hear that all of us have lots in commons here in forum, although sometimes we have diverse perspective which is also good. Anyhow, just wanted to let you know that you have my vote on being against russianizing of Tajiks of Tajikistan. I am for for promotion of Paarsi in Tajikistan and elsewhere. However, learning a language is always advantage, but understanding it and not letting it to be "ism", like when it becomes russian or turkish, is more important. Learning any language is great, but Persian is foremost!

Thank for being here and sharing your views with us daily :) .


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Posted 04 March 2008 - 03:18 PM

Dorood, Brother!

[quote=PORS;6791]Dorood,


Lenin was... (was an atheist thogh :) -


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He was a religious atheist :) :)

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Posted 04 March 2008 - 04:47 PM

lenin name in tajikistan did not represents the name of Lenin the great communist leader who did a lot of great stuff for humanities represents the invasion and occupation of tajiks lands by Russian's. it was during that occupation that we lost samarqand and bukhra to uzbekistan.to chang it back to great rudaki the great son of tajiks it represent the true independent of our tajiks which is a very long time coming that reason i am very proud . may be in the future if ppl of tajikistan decide to name a park under lenin names .they should do it voluntarily not by force.
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Posted 04 March 2008 - 06:54 PM

Dorood Chapandaazi giromi:

Where did you get this info?


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[quote=chapandaaz;6811]lenin name in tajikistan did not represents the name of Lenin the great communist leader who did a lot of great stuff for humanities represents the invasion and occupation of tajiks lands by Russian's. it was during that occupation that we lost samarqand and bukhra to uzbekistan.to chang it back to great rudaki the great son of tajiks it represent the true independent of our tajiks which is a very long time coming that reason i am very proud . may be in the future if ppl of tajikistan decide to name a park under lenin names .they should do it voluntarily not by force.[/quote]
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Posted 04 March 2008 - 08:40 PM

pors moetaram which info???

to me tajiks and it's culture and heritage comes first .any religious or none religious ideology is not important
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Posted 04 March 2008 - 09:17 PM

Durud Chapandaazi giromi:

With all my respect to you and to others, I didn't say or meant anything about religious beliefs. My question to you was where did you get the information about Tajiks of Tajikistan and their perspectives about Lenin. Please, comment on that.

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[quote=chapandaaz;6822] lenin name in tajikistan did not represents the name of Lenin the great communist leader who did a lot of great stuff for humanities represents the invasion and occupation of tajiks lands by Russian's. [/quote]

[quote=chapandaaz;6822]pors moetaram which info???

to me tajiks and it's culture and heritage comes first .any religious or none religious ideology is not important[/quote]
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Posted 05 March 2008 - 01:33 AM

[quote=PORS;6823]Durud Chapandaazi giromi:

With all my respect to you and to others, I didn't say or meant anything about religious beliefs. My question to you was where did you get the information about Tajiks of Tajikistan and their perspectives about Lenin. Please, comment on that.

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Pors.[/quote]pors -e-aziz

my information's regarding tajikastan and it's relationships with soviet union and it's communist leader valadimier leinin is theoraticals.but one thing remains a fact that wasn't that during soviet union which was the follower and Creation of leinin that tajikistan lost bukhara n samarqand to uzbakistan???
please correct me if i am wrong . my beast regards to you and other tajiks.
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Posted 05 March 2008 - 01:34 AM

[quote=chapandaaz;6811]lenin name in tajikistan did not represents the name of Lenin the great communist leader who did a lot of great stuff for humanities represents the invasion and occupation of tajiks lands by Russian's. it was during that occupation that we lost samarqand and bukhra to uzbekistan.to chang it back to great rudaki the great son of tajiks it represent the true independent of our tajiks which is a very long time coming that reason i am very proud . may be in the future if ppl of tajikistan decide to name a park under lenin names .they should do it voluntarily not by force.[/quote]

May be you are right. But. The time when Bolsheviks came to nowadays Tajikistan land they abided the true marxist ideology - Internationalizm which claimed the freedom and equality of all the opressed people. Eventually when the THREE- Stalin, Zinovyev, Kamenev began to betray true revolutionaries killing them or kikking them out (for ex.- Trotskiy) the international spirit of this movement was destroyed and the communist ideology gained the russian worshipping element which was far from Leninism.
My dear Brother. You call it - invasion. But I call it freedom from- oppresion by turks , from superiority of turks, from homosexualizm of turks. Dont you know about the killing of thosand and thosand tajiks of Baljuvan and Khovaling by Manghits?! Do you know about Vose who was killed in Bukhara before the eyes of turkish amir?!
Read the books by Sadriddin Ayni- the founder of Soviet tajik literature who had never lied in his life. Read his book "Slaves" that tells how manghits enslaved tajiks and persians of Iran and sold them in the markets. And You say about "Invasiaon" ??? ?!!!!!!
Read the books by Ahmad Danish- tajik who served in the palace of manghits -"The history of manghit dinasty" and know how they severely tortured non-turks - tajiks.
Remember about Shamsiddin Shahin - a great tajik poet in manghit palace who was tortured till death by amir himself. Remember about thousands innocent small tajik boys and girls who were taken from their families by force and given to turkish amirs for sex. NO. NO. It was invasion for turks, but not for tajiks. It was a FREEDOM. Only Bolsheviks kikked the ass of manghit amirs out of the tajik land.

Rostamjon is right. We, tajiks, always treat our enemies respectfully. We are not a nation.
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Posted 05 March 2008 - 05:55 AM

brother- gierami- hassani sabboh
invader's are invaders and occupiers are occupiers .it doesn't matter er if it came in forms of great religion from arabs or savageries and barbarism from Turks and Mongol's .or if it came in in form's of internationalism equal right and communism from russia. they all came in by swords ,killd us,burned our villages and kept us away from our glories civilization.i think for our brothers and sisters of Tajikistan the days of occupations is over and the sun of our beautiful past rise again.it's time for us tajiks to tear down anythings that reminded of our dark past and replace it with our bright beautiful ,tajiks/persian era civilization .if your a communist tajiks be a communist its ok but be proud tajik first. the same things with islam or any other believe,becase a good cultured tajiks are the beast kinda humane-beings regardless of their believe or ideologies .. tashakoor
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Posted 06 March 2008 - 02:36 PM

Hello, dear brother! With a deep respect to You I must say that I am neither communist nor Islamist. I am a tajik-nationalist. As I have mentioned above I am also against rusiian influence. I just wanted to emphacise the positive role of bolshevics in rebuilding tajik state. That is all. It is the part of our history and we must not ignore this.

I agree with your beautiful words:

[quote=chapandaaz;6837]i think for our brothers and sisters of Tajikistan the days of occupations is over and the sun of our beautiful past rise again.it's time for us tajiks to tear down anythings that reminded of our dark past and replace it with our bright beautiful ,tajiks/persian era civilization .if your a communist tajiks be a communist its ok but be proud tajik first. the same things with islam or any other believe,becase a good cultured tajiks are the beast kinda humane-beings regardless of their believe or ideologies .. tashakoor[/quote]
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Posted 08 March 2008 - 12:56 AM

dear hassani sabboh
tashakoor az lotfitaan . i agree with you wholeheartedly,

hamishah pirooz baashied
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