[PORS]

I am not sure whether such thread was discussed before, but since we started talking about women, I was curious about knowing your perspective on "Persian women in politics". Why do you think it is good for Persian women to be involved in politics, or why not? Please, voice your opinion. Thank you.

[PORS]

Dariuse gerami,

Who do you mean? Women in general or Tajik women in 20th century politics?

Darius:

"Even in politics the 20th century saw some outstanding fascinating female politicians."

[Parsistani]

If Tajik women get educated they will take controll over every important world institution. Generally, Tajik women are wiser than men and in history our mothers gave birh to great Tajik personalities with the best behave on earth. Even now, Tajik women make a name from day to day. Tajik women were also the fire for many wars against our enemies. Remember, it were the Kohistani women who sharped the Kabul-Kohistani males to battle the Indo-Britannes and they also were brave to fight side by side with their husbends and sons. In our history we even had female warrior, including the scythian-sarmatian Amazonians. Educate Tajik women and the world will belong us!!!

[Kambiz]

Porse gerami,

I am sure you know who I meant. There were many women involved in politics throughout the world, but first names that come to mind are Indira Gandhi, Margaret Thatcher and Benzair Bhutto each of them taking very crucial parts in their nations' history. Tajikistan has a longer way to reach the stage where women could put their political skills in use. The way for Afghanistan is even longer.

But your question and your previous message gave me an impression that you doubt political usefulness of women. I hope I was wrong.

[quote=PORS;7013]Dariuse gerami,

Who do you mean? Women in general or Tajik women in 20th century politics?

Darius:

"Even in politics the 20th century saw some outstanding fascinating female politicians."[/quote]

[Rostam]

Bhutto has Persian origine

[Kambiz]

If you go back, you can see women like Mumtaz Mahal who was a very important figure in Shah Jahan's Mughal Empire in India. She was Persian too. Wikipedia says:

Mumt?z Mahal (Persian, Urdu: ?? ??*?; pronunciation /mumt??z m?h?l/; meaning "beloved ornament of the palace") is the common nickname of Arjumand Banu Begum, who was born in April, 1593 in Agra, India. Her father was the Persian noble Abdul Hasan Asaf Khan, the brother of Nur Jehan (who subsequently became the wife of the emperor Jahangir). She was religiously a Muslim. She was married at the age of 19, on May 10, 1612, to Prince Khurram, who would later ascend the Peacock Throne as Mughal emperor Shah Jahan I. She was his third wife, and became his favorite. She died on June 17, 1631 in Burhanpur in the Deccan (now in Madhya Pradesh) during the birth of their fourteenth child, a daughter named Gauhara Begum. Her body was buried in the Taj Mahal in Agra.

Aishwarya Rai-Bachchan is playing Mumtaz Mahal's role in a new movie about Taj Mahal:

[Kambiz]

Another Persian lady who wielded an enormous power in the Mughal court:

Begam Nur Jahan (Persian: ? ) (alternative spelling Noor Jahan, Nur Jehan, Nor Jahan, etc.) (1577 – 1645) also known as Mehr-un-Nisaa was a Mughal empress.

Begam Nur Jehan was the twentieth and favourite wife of Mughal Emperor Jehangir, who was her second husband - and the most famous Empress of the Mughal Empire. The story of the couple's infatuation for each other and the relationship that abided between them is the stuff of many (often apocryphal) legends. She remains historically significant for the sheer amount of imperial authority she wielded - the true "power behind the throne," as Jehangir was battling serious addictions to alcohol and opium throughout his reign - and is known as one of the most powerful women in the history of India.

Begam Nur Jahan was born in 1577 in Kandahar in present-day Afghanistan. Her Persian grandfather, who was in the service of Shah Tahmasp I, died in Yazd, laden with honours.

[Kambiz]

Now lets go to pre-Islamic centuries when women could rule Iranzamin as monarchs.

Poran or more correctly Purandokht was daughter of the King Khosrau II of Persia (590–628). She was one of only two women on the throne of the Sassanid dynasty (the other was her sister Azarmidokht). She was the twenty-sixth sovereign Monarch of Persia from 629 to 631. When Purandokht ascended to the throne after the murder of the general Shahrbaraz, who killed her brother Ardashir III, she attempted to bring stability to the empire. This stability was brought about by a peace treaty with the Byzantine Empire, the revitalization of the empire through the implementation of justice, reconstruction of the infrastructure, lowering of taxes, and minting coins. She was largely unsuccessful in her attempts to restore the power of the central authority which was weakened considerably by civil wars, and resigned or was murdered soon after.

Ferdowsi refers to Purandokht in his epic poem the Shahnameh. She was committed to reviving the memory and prestige of her father, during whose reign the Sassanid Empire had grown to its largest territorial extent.

[Kambiz]

Azarmidokht was the twenty-seventh Sassanid Monarch of Persia, and daughter of Khosrau II. She ruled Persia after her sister Purandokht.

[Parsistani]

It should also be mentioned Mumtaz Mahal´s roots were liying also in Kandahar and not in India. Btw wikip. version is taken from here: http://www.mapsofind...mtaz-mahal.html

[Kambiz]

[quote=Parsistani;7061]It should also be mentioned Mumtaz Mahal´s roots were liying also in Kandahar and not in India. Btw wikip. version is taken from here: http://www.mapsofind...mtaz-mahal.html[/quote]

Yes, her father Abdul Hasan Asef Khan was a Persian noble from Kandahar who moved to Agra and Mumtaz Mahal was born there.

[Kamyar]

Several Tajik woman actually ran for Presidency in Afghanistan in 2004:

One of them was Dr. Massouda Jalal who is now Minister Women's Affairs.

http://en.wikipedia..../Massouda_Jalal

[Neo Bactra]

Dorood All,

It's a woderful thread again. And I will do my part now:
Lately, I have been greatly impressed with Fawzia Kofi, a Tajik member of Afghan Parliament, representing the intellect-breeding Tajik province of Badakshan, Afghanistan.

Ms Kofi bears a clear understanding of Afghan politics and is generally believed to be an honest activist for women's rights in Afghanistan. It was this courageous Tajik who exposed the abuses Afghan women prisoners faced in the Pol e Charkhi Prison.

If you wanted to hear her voice, lick the following link:
http://www.unicef.or...udio/41614.html

[Rostam]

Neo Bactra jaan,

We dont need actually...pro-Afghanistan Tajik politician like this Massouda Jalal and Ms. Kofi.
What we need is...Tajiks....who clearly...stay up and say....that Afghan=Pashtun! And that we are NOT....and never will be Afghans!
We need persons....who will make us aware...about our history and identity!

[Kamyar]

[quote=Rostam;7101]Neo Bactra jaan,

We dont need actually...pro-Afghanistan Tajik politician like this Massouda Jalal and Ms. Kofi.
What we need is...Tajiks....who clearly...stay up and say....that Afghan=Pashtun! And that we are NOT....and never will be Afghans!
We need persons....who will make us aware...about our history and identity![/quote]

We have some of those too.

One such proud Tajik woman is the great Soraya Baha. She is not a politician in Afghanistan's government since you have to be at least pretend to pro-Afghanistan to be in that government, but she is a political activist.

Listen to her debate with the Afghan Mellati Rostar Taraki, she was great in this debate:

Jaou7zW3_gU

This is part 1 of 5, you can watch the rest of the debate on Zanzirgul's channel:
http://www.youtube.c...r=Zanzirgul&p=r

[Kambiz]

Kamyar-jan, dast marizaad!

Dorud bar Sorayya Baha!

[arshak]

In the Parthian era there were two powerful women who co-ruled with their husbands who were Satraps/Governors:

Satraps of Sakastan/Sistan

Tanlis Mardates and Lady Raggodeme. (circa 50 BC - 50 AD)
http://www.grifterre...ardates_sml.jpg
more: http://www.grifterre...el/par_rel.html

Satraps of Elymais/Elam/Khuzestan

Kamnaskires III and Queen Anzaze (82/1 - 76/5 B.C.)
http://www.parthia.c..._5292_small.jpg
more: http://www.parthia.c...m#Kamnaskires_3
http://www.vcoins.co...?idProduct=3183

[Sohrab]

[quote=Kamyar;7133]We have some of those too.

One such proud Tajik woman is the great Soraya Baha. She is not a politician in Afghanistan's government since you have to be at least pretend to pro-Afghanistan to be in that government, but she is a political activist.

Listen to her debate with the Afghan Mellati Rostar Taraki, she was great in this debate:

Jaou7zW3_gU[/quote]

Kamyar jan, have you got Rostar Taraki's reasoning as well? i wanted hear what he was saying in return.

[Kamyar]

[quote=Rika Khana;7151]Kamyar jan, have you got Rostar Taraki's reasoning as well? i wanted hear what he was saying in return.[/quote]

Yes Rika Khana jan. Tajiks are fair people and allow everyone to express their views freely (even Pashton Ethno-Fascists like Rostar Taraki).

This was a 5 part debate and you can listen to Taraki's responses and the rest here: http://www.youtube.c...r=Zanzirgul&p=r

[Sohrab]

[quote=Kamyar;7152]Yes Rika Khana jan. Tajiks are fair people and allow everyone to express their views freely (even Pashton Ethno-Fascists like Rostar Taraki).

This was a 5 part debate and you can listen to Taraki's responses and the rest on Zanzirgul's channel:

http://www.youtube.c...r=Zanzirgul&p=r[/quote]

LOL, zanzirgul Channel? this woman Freshta, who is she? any information about her? on junbesh website i listened to her interveiw with to prominiant cultural Uzbek figures which was good, they were mostly talking in defence of Dustum and at the same time they were defending Farsi against Faschist Khuram and praising Masoud alot.