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Posted 27 April 2008 - 09:58 AM

http://news.bbc.co.u...sia/7369540.stm
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Posted 27 April 2008 - 10:02 AM

I know. It was happened on the military parade in Kabul. But unfortantely, Kharzai is working together wth Talibans so he is still alive and he is NEVER the aim of those PigToon actions but always non-PigToons.
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Posted 27 April 2008 - 10:23 AM

I think, that we need to use the Taliban against pashtun nationalists. We (Tajiks parties and movements) also should have secret negotiations with Talibs and to use them to own advantage.
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Posted 27 April 2008 - 11:01 AM

[QUOTE=Afrasiab;8425]I think, that we need to use the Taliban against pashtun nationalists. We (Tajiks parties and movements) also should have secret negotiations with Talibs and to use them to own advantage.[/QUOTE]

Write more about this idea. What do you exactly mean?

Ps:change the title because it is false. It wasnt an attack on Kharzi but on special parliament representants and to show they have power.

http://www.arcor.de/...d/21306106.html

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 12:49 PM

My opinion

I think, that Talibs today are less dangerous for us, than pashtun nationalists. Because for talibs is important the religion, not a nationality. And also we should not forget that Talibs will always struggle in Afghanistan against the center-Kabul. For them Karzai is an enemy agent of America. And it is necessary to us to use this contradiction between pashtuns. I think, if we can correctly use Talibs they will help us with idea of Khorasan. We can agree secret with them that the south of Afghanistan (Kandahar and some southern areas) will "de facto" be belong to them and the north - to Tajiks and other Persians. Today only Talibs can agree with it. And the pro-american authority of Afghanistan will disagree with this idea. For example, we can secretly support Talibs that they have become stronger in the south of Awghanistan (Today the NATO really supervises only Kabul). And Talibs will support us. For example, they will struggle against the pro-American government of Afghanistan only in the south, and in the north we shall wake Tajiks and create Khorasan. And the pashtun government all time will be at war with Talibs. When pashtun nationalists will start to solve the national problems, we can prompt Talibs to begin the next struggle, that to distract attention pashtun nationalists.
Talibs will create Talib and pashtun Khalifat in the south. We should even send them group of our fighters ("Talibs") for help, and they will give them ideas for creating pashtun talib Khalifat and also they will be our agents among them.
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Posted 27 April 2008 - 01:09 PM

The Taliban ARE the Pashtun nationalists. Their main supporter are their nomadic brothers, Kuchis. They have in nearly all central Asia Awghan communities. In Iran, India, Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan who are supporting them. They are mio. in figures. To establish a Khurasan, you need to kill every tailed PigToon with its Talibani father. That includes also Arabs in Khurasan.

Afghans call for ethnic cleansing

Washington, May 18 (UPI) -- A tract calling for wholesale ethnic cleansing
in Afghanistan is circulating there and in Pakistan, according to the French
television station TF-1.

The booklet, written in Pashto, calls for the non-Pashtun Tajik and
Hazaras populations to be removed from key areas and replaced by Pashtuns
from the south of Afghanistan. The Islamist Taliban that rules most of
Afghanistan is made up of Pashtuns. Analysts consider that its extreme
beliefs are a form of Sunni Islam distorted by Pashtun tribal culture. The
book, analysts said, appears to share the Taliban view of the situation in
Afghanistan.

While they are the largest ethnic group in Afghanistan and have been
dominant in its politics for the past two centuries, it is only with the
Taliban taking power in Kabul in 1996 that the Pashtun have sought to impose
their mores on other Afghan peoples.


The book, titled "The Second Water Bearer," compares Ahmad Shah Mas'ud,
the Tajik leader of resistance to the Taliban, to Habibulla Kalakani, known
as the Waterbearer. Kalakani was a Tajik adventurer who ruled as king of
Afghanistan from January to October 1929 before being overthrown and
eventually put to death. Mas'ud is described in the book, which first
appeared in Afghanistan prior to a Taliban offensive against him in 1998, as
the second Waterbearer.

Mas'ud and his supporters in the Panjshir valley in the northeast of
Afghanistan are being aided by Russia, Iran and India. The tract says of
them, "Foreigners and those who serve them have made the Panjshir a center
of thought hostile to the other peoples of the country."

So that they are no longer manipulated by foreigners nor exploit their
geographic and military position, the Panjshir population must be cleared
out and given equivalent land in the south and west of the country, the book
says. While the Panjshir is a center of agriculture, the south is known for
its deserts, TF-1's Leonard Vincent noted on Monday.

"The national (Taliban) government has the right to move people
temporarily or permanently from one region to another if their presence is a
threat to national unity," says the book.

The tract also urges that a buffer zone be created between Kabul and the
Panjshir and Bagram, a strategically situated town to the north of the
capital. It would be settled by homeless from Pashtun areas and would
prevent Kabul being pillaged by "bandits coming from the North" -- a
reference to Mas'ud's forces.

So as to "cut off Iran's hand" in the Bamiyan area of central Afghanistan,
the Hazara population there should be removed, the book proposes, and
replaced by Sunni Muslims from Pashtun areas. Like the Iranians, the Hazara
are Shiite Muslims.

The Taliban massacred hundreds of Hazara when it occupied the town of
Yakaolang in January of this year. According to the watchdog body, Human
Rights Watch, the Taliban arrested 300 male civilians, and took them to
various assembly points where they were killed in public by firing squads.
Elderly villagers who had come to town to parlay with the Taliban were also
killed during the massacres that lasted four days.

Taliban officials subsequently denounced reports of the massacres as lies
but refused to allow United Nations observers access to the area, Vincent
reports. The analysts saw the massacres as Taliban revenge for the killing
of Pashtuns when the Hazara area was earlier occupied by forces of the
Northern Alliance. This is the resistance headed by Mas'ud that is loyal to
the deposed Burhanuddin Rabbani, who remains the internationally recognized
president of Afghanistan.

When the Taliban took the western city of Mazar-i-Sharif in 1998, they
conducted massacres against Hazara civilians there on a large scale and
killed a number of Iranian diplomats, bringing Tehran close to war with the
Pashtun government.

"The Second Waterbearer" was written by a pseudonymous Samsur Afghan,
according to TF-1. It is well known in Afghanistan and at Peshawar in
Pakistan, a center of expatriate Afghan activity. But the work appears to
have been published in Germany. The book's cover bears the emblem and name
of a Verein zur frderung der afghanischen kultur Germany" or Association
for the Advancement of Afghan Culture in Germany.

While "The Second Waterbearer" calls for banning the import of anything
contrary to the Hanafi school of Sunni Islam, the school to which the
Taliban claims to adhere, the publication comes out of a quite different
background, according to TF-1. It reflects the views of a shadowy group of
Pashtun nationalists living in Germany who derive from leftist Pashtuns
educated there going back to the 1950s. More recently these expatriates have
been involved in a German Pashtun and Baluch Committee and a Pashtun Social
Democratic Party. These were set up by members of the Afghan Communist Khalk
faction that had lived in Germany, TF-1 said, and returned there after the
collapse of the Communist government in Kabul in 1992
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Posted 27 April 2008 - 01:31 PM

It is impossible to kill all of Talibs or all of Pashtuns. And we need not to kill all of them. We need to learn to use them, by information and ideas. In a policy there is no constant enemy or constant friend. In a policy a constant can be our national idea - idea of Khorasan.
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Posted 27 April 2008 - 02:14 PM

[QUOTE=Afrasiab;8430]It is impossible to kill all of Talibs or all of Pashtuns. And we need not to kill all of them. We need to learn to use them, by information and ideas. In a policy there is no constant enemy or constant friend. In a policy a constant can be our national idea - idea of Khorasan.[/QUOTE]

say never never. It is for sure possible. First, you neutralize their arabic fathers like Kharzi, Khurampigzai and others than half of the job is done. The rest, the Kuchis, are not a danger for us. They are not even a military, but a bunch of wild combatants, the cancer of the heart of the world and Asia. Sadam Hussein killed with only one Jet 10 000 kurdish enemies who were supporting Iran as ''aryan nationalists''. My superiour told me northern Afghanistan, Kunduz province, is much more equipped with bombs, rockets, guns, bullets (ca. 100 tonnes) than any other region in the entire near east. To cleansing bearded apes and rats you need at least some uranium munitions. First, you damage their moral and everything they have, including their descandants (gens) (of course, it will be an act of self-defense and ''pay-back'' for soooo much hurts, lootings, killings, rapes, destructions, liyings ect.) we will have an easy game with them. The same goes for other enemies, ''Uzbek Turks''.

You really believe nationalists aka Taliban would let you to establish a new nation on ''their own'' ground? Paah, never be naive. How did they kill Tajik intellectuels and their families who only were asking for equivalence of all ethnics? Millions! Millions were driven out to India, northern Pakistan and Kashmir. Mio. were killed. Mio. are refugees and even in their own country, the country of their ancestors, their culture, their own history they are felt today as refugees. Take the sword and make Sunnah by killing Dajjals nation. Take the sword and use the same laws that Dajjal nation used against others (than lets see if they will critizise us for it and if they will see their own mentality and actions in it). Take the sword and use the laws that God gave us as revanges so we wont have to be in fear we burning in hell....cut the thiefs hand, the liers toung, the rapers intime part, the crulers everypart of his body so he can feel the hurts and let him alive. Burn the burner alive but let also him alive, use acid against the acid bomber exact into his face, and the waterkeeper should die the same way very slooooowly as he killed mio. other poeple. Pick the eye of the eye-picker out as he did and cut his skin from his body as he did....The tomorrow will belong to me and my fellows!! Every sould of every holly humen, evry sould of every (wild) animal, every soul of any child and any woman, man, every soul of any trees and stones will supporting us...everything that was always part of Khurasan. The greater country of God will rise, inshallah...there is no other way to clean it from the dirt!

You know the hun speech?

''You know it well, you shall fence against a brought, brave, well armed, cruel enemy. Know, if you come to him, then: Pardon is not given. Prisoners are not made. Leads your weapons so, that no more Chinese has dared to look at a German cross-eyedly for one thousand years to come.''

The same is valid for us.
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Posted 28 April 2008 - 08:26 AM

Brother Afrasiab,

Taliban are scum and filth of 20th & 21st century. These savage barbaric uncivilised animals, killed and beheaded so many Iranians who resided in Afghanistan! They massacared, beheaded, tortured, sodomised and raped Hazaras & Farsiwans & others!

They destroyed historic buddhist sites,they blew up Shiite mosques and killed Shiites because in their brand of Islam (the wahabbi disease: that originated in Saudi Arabia then infected Pakistan with funding from Sheytan-e-Bozorg,Angal-ha & Tazi-ha), shiite = 'Kofr'. They even consider non-Pushtuns/non-Shiite people such as Uzbeks,Tajiks and Turkmen as being their slaves, how could you suggest for Tajiks in Afghanistan to support these microbes?
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Posted 29 April 2008 - 04:38 PM

[QUOTE=Afrasiab;8428]My opinion

I think, that Talibs today are less dangerous for us, than pashtun nationalists. Because for talibs is important the religion, not a nationality. And also we should not forget that Talibs will always struggle in Afghanistan against the center-Kabul. For them Karzai is an enemy agent of America. And it is necessary to us to use this contradiction between pashtuns. I think, if we can correctly use Talibs they will help us with idea of Khorasan. We can agree secret with them that the south of Afghanistan (Kandahar and some southern areas) will "de facto" be belong to them and the north - to Tajiks and other Persians. Today only Talibs can agree with it. And the pro-american authority of Afghanistan will disagree with this idea. For example, we can secretly support Talibs that they have become stronger in the south of Awghanistan (Today the NATO really supervises only Kabul). And Talibs will support us. For example, they will struggle against the pro-American government of Afghanistan only in the south, and in the north we shall wake Tajiks and create Khorasan. And the pashtun government all time will be at war with Talibs. When pashtun nationalists will start to solve the national problems, we can prompt Talibs to begin the next struggle, that to distract attention pashtun nationalists.
Talibs will create Talib and pashtun Khalifat in the south. We should even send them group of our fighters ("Talibs") for help, and they will give them ideas for creating pashtun talib Khalifat and also they will be our agents among them.[/QUOTE]

Dear Afrasiab,

The Taliban are designed to curb Pushtun nationalism within Pakistan - but within Afghanistan it forms a fundamental part of their argument for seeking power. Pakistan is all too happy to fuel Pushtun nationalism within Afghanistan - in a form that it control - i.e. the Taliban - in order that it not only keeps its own Pushtun population under control - but to add to it in Afghanistan - and to obliterate anything that opposes that within Afghanistan.

Our problem is everything that is against the interests PARSIANS (Tajik peoples and the culture of PARSI which independent of ethnicity) within Afghanistan - and that means Pashtun, Hazara, Uzbek nationalism.

The Pashtun nationalist tendencies within the Taliban can be discredited by showing that it is against ISLAM - against HANAFI Islam - the ISLAM of our TAJIK ABU HANIFA ! Why should these tribal low lives claim our ISLAM ? They are taught a peverted form of it by their DEWBAND inspired MULLAHS whom then combine it with their MONGOLIC tribalism under the name of Pushtunwali - and attempt to make us their kind of MUSLIM !

The SUNNI ISLAM of ABU HANIFA is what we must reclaim and use against these running dogs of our enemies. It is also this ISLAM that we must use to bring peace and unity between us and those SHIA whom despise SUNNIS - I mean those whom are under the influence of the same schools of thought that the AKHONDS of Iran are.

Nadir SHAH - the PERSIAN NAPOLEON - sought to bring peace across his SHIA - SUNNI empire by making the JAFFARI school of jurisprudence the fifth recognized major school of jurisprudence - after HANAFISM, HANBALISM, SHAFISM and MALIKISM.

The British in their plans to protect their INDIAN possessions were firmly against all tings that reminded the people - especially the Muslims of India that the PERSIAN language ruled in India for 900 years - and that for the most part of it - it was the soldiers, sufis and builders of KHURASAN that established that civilization.

Within India they took to the task of re-writing the ISLAMIC creed in such schools as the DEWOBAND. Designed to pervert ISLAM. They even created the Ahmadiyya movement that rejected violent JIHAD against the British.

In Khurasan proper they got rid of the name Khurasan and called it Afghanistan - and promoted all movements that opposes the genuine identity and culture of that land.

In the Pushtun areas of British India they gave resources to the DEWOBAND mullahs and sent more and more to that area - forever condemning it to a mental handicap - and readily creating a movement which could be used against the TSARIST - SOVIET RUSSIANS.


The Anglo Saxon west eliminated our MASSOUD - because it was against his INDEPENDENT CIVIL ISLAM - and removed the TALIBAN because the TALIBAN were not able to defeat MASSOUD and also they were becoming less co-operative - and now they have come with their favorite sons - Ashraf Ghani and Anwar Ul Haq - both employees of IMF - WORLD BANK to fully Pushtunise (meaning to destroy the real history of the land; it does not mean that will they create something that is of any real benefit to the Pushtuns) it so that they can use Afghanistan as a permanent base from which to control the heart of Asia.

The best course of action right now is to increase our knowledge and figure out fully the extent of the threats against us and work from there.

Read up on Nadir Afshar's policies on uniting all of us - he even took possession of Bukhara and Samarqand from the Uzbeks - and he had Pushtuns under his firm control ! Obviously there were failings about him - but useful nonetheless.

Read up on Abu Hanifa as well.


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Posted 29 April 2008 - 05:12 PM

Great comment Ahhangar Gerami. Here i remind a story my father and grand father told me when i was a 12 years old school boy. The Anglo Saxons were smart enough to send one of their own jews to Afghanistan, teached in the native language of the country, teached in its culture and policy and specially in the belief. Thesed guy became with the aid of the Anglo Saxons a religious teacher in Pul-Khumri or Sang e Khushti (i cant remember on that surely). These guy fooled the entire barbaric and backward Psahtun extremists and nationalists. With that step they were able to feel a very strong hate against all Shia and Shia Islamili of Badakhshan. These people are stupid like shit. I reply myself again. These people are the cancer of KHURASAN and solong only one piece of it is still living in Khurasanzameen, the godblessed country will suffer and suffer. What we can do is to turning the ntire islamic world against them..even the arabs by educate and inform them. Psahtuns are the nation of Dajjal, sons of Dajjal and the dark Turan. Even the Avestan speak about these bastards as mountain people originally from Turan that serve Ahriman and his demons. Kill them!
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Posted 30 April 2008 - 05:25 AM

[QUOTE=Parsistani;8474]Great comment Ahhangar Gerami. Here i remind a story my father and grand father told me when i was a 12 years old school boy. The Anglo Saxons were smart enough to send one of their own jews to Afghanistan, teached in the native language of the country, teached in its culture and policy and specially in the belief. Thesed guy became with the aid of the Anglo Saxons a religious teacher in Pul-Khumri or Sang e Khushti (i cant remember on that surely). These guy fooled the entire barbaric and backward Psahtun extremists and nationalists. With that step they were able to feel a very strong hate against all Shia and Shia Islamili of Badakhshan. These people are stupid like shit. I reply myself again. These people are the cancer of KHURASAN and solong only one piece of it is still living in Khurasanzameen, the godblessed country will suffer and suffer. What we can do is to turning the ntire islamic world against them..even the arabs by educate and inform them. Psahtuns are the nation of Dajjal, sons of Dajjal and the dark Turan. Even the Avestan speak about these bastards as mountain people originally from Turan that serve Ahriman and his demons. Kill them![/QUOTE]

Dear Parsi - thank for the reply - indeed many have been mislead by the agents of the KUFFAR! Even today the little Talib kids are taught from books written by the CIA ! I call them all RUNNING DOGS of the KUFFAR - they have to be pretty ignorant and culture-less in the first place to fall under the persuasion of those nonsensical beliefs.

Remember also that in the past it has been non Pushtuns that attempted to sort these people - Pir Roshan was a Baraki from Kurram - Akhond e Darweza was another non pushtun - they produced the first written Pashto texts from the knowledge they had gained in PERSIAN and ARABIC. We need to enlighten them - so thy wont fall prey to ideologies that are against our interests.

Indeed we need to learn about everything related to our land - and that includes religious beliefs - in order that we may not be misled into working against the interests of our fatherland.

I would be grateful if you could elaborate or even a few links regarding the Avesta text and its stories regarding the infidel tribal Turan.
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Posted 30 April 2008 - 08:42 AM

You are right, that Talibs are our enemies. But we need to use in our advantage a disagreement between Talibs and Pashtun authority of Afghanistan. Why anglo-saksons and Jews can use them, and we cannot. Than we are worse than them? We know wild Pashtuns better and we can use them better. It is not good to sit silently and to observe how wild Pashtuns struggle for the national ideas.
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Posted 30 April 2008 - 09:10 AM

[QUOTE=Parsistani;8474]Great comment Ahhangar Gerami. Here i remind a story my father and grand father told me when i was a 12 years old school boy. The Anglo Saxons were smart enough to send one of their own jews to Afghanistan, teached in the native language of the country, teached in its culture and policy and specially in the belief. Thesed guy became with the aid of the Anglo Saxons a religious teacher in Pul-Khumri or Sang e Khushti (i cant remember on that surely). These guy fooled the entire barbaric and backward Psahtun extremists and nationalists. With that step they were able to feel a very strong hate against all Shia and Shia Islamili of Badakhshan. These people are stupid like shit. I reply myself again. These people are the cancer of KHURASAN and solong only one piece of it is still living in Khurasanzameen, the godblessed country will suffer and suffer. What we can do is to turning the ntire islamic world against them..even the arabs by educate and inform them. Psahtuns are the nation of Dajjal, sons of Dajjal and the dark Turan. Even the Avestan speak about these bastards as mountain people originally from Turan that serve Ahriman and his demons. Kill them![/QUOTE]

I support the most part of your comment. But I want say, that we Tajiks should respect the our ancestors and not demonize ancient Turan and Turanians. Maybe ancestors of some pashtun tribes were Turanians, but Turanians are OUR ANCESTORS. We Tajiks are grandsons of Tur, great Afrasiab and Siyavush. We should is proud of our great Turanian grandfathers. But it does not mean, that we are enemies of Iran. Ancient Turanians and Iranians were one people, one blood.
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Posted 02 May 2008 - 02:00 AM

How are you all

I would like to know some information.
Taliban rule in Afghanistan when there are no other ethnic massacres?
If so, in which local How many people have been massacred ?
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Posted 02 May 2008 - 11:06 AM

[QUOTE=Afrasiab;8527]I support the most part of your comment. But I want say, that we Tajiks should respect the our ancestors and not demonize ancient Turan and Turanians. Maybe ancestors of some pashtun tribes were Turanians, but Turanians are OUR ANCESTORS. We Tajiks are grandsons of Tur, great Afrasiab and Siyavush. We should is proud of our great Turanian grandfathers. But it does not mean, that we are enemies of Iran. Ancient Turanians and Iranians were one people, one blood.[/QUOTE]

Afrasiab Jan,

sure, Turanians became one of the most important Tajik ancestors (be it Hephtalithes, Sakas, Kushans or whatever) but since they were known for their barbaric behave (that means they were unlike ''Iranians'' (the settled ''Turanians'') killermashines) who were not praying to Ahura, had not a civilization, were not civilizised...and that is what Avesta and even Shahnama speak about, ''the never endless fight between Turan (Darkness) and Iran (blessed Land of light (Ahura)). That is a great prohephecy that is indeed true. Awghans were always our enemies (remember the fights between all Persian dynasties and the Awghan dogs that even were used by Rajas against us). Shahnama tells us Akhond Akhwan wanted to kill Rostam and throw him from a high place down to a sea near the caucasus region. And Awghans are belonging to these group of Turanians. There is no difference between them and the nomadic Turks and Mongols of central Asia.

If i mention ''Turanians'' than i do not mean the medi-evil Turanaians, Turks, but the ancient, mythological/historical Turanians that once were wild and barbaric, jealous about the iranic world and its civilization but once they settled in Iran they became great figures, known for their good and humen attituteds that make them known.

Ahhangar Jan,

i will see that i post for you the translated Avestan. I will tell you sth. The Avestan speak about a man who will come from eastern Iran at the end of time and he will be the man that will clean Iran from its dirt..and hopefully, these day will come soon. Im sure. May the be a Hazara or a Tajik..but the time of Punjabi dogs are close to ends.

Saypidin Jan,
they massacred everywhere where Shia and Non-PigToons lived. They were killing, looting, raping, destroying and burning everything and driving the native population out. Like their ancestors who lived still maybe for 10 years ago back to the last 2 1/5 centuries.
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Posted 02 May 2008 - 04:47 PM

How are you all

I would like to know some information.
Taliban rule in Afghanistan when there are no other ethnic massacres?
If so, in which local How many people have been massacred ?
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Posted 03 May 2008 - 05:14 PM

[QUOTE=saypidin;8572]How are you all

I would like to know some information.
Taliban rule in Afghanistan when there are no other ethnic massacres?
If so, in which local How many people have been massacred ?[/QUOTE]

Saypidin,

The Taliban as a weapon of war used ethnic cleansing - rape - forced removal of people - destruction of agricultural land - and selling girls of the enemies ethnicity to Pakistani/Arab pimps as part of their program to raise funds and to smash the moral of their victims.

The Taliban are known from committing countless atrocities in the North and Center of the country - many of which have not been reported or kept very quiet. For a comprehensive list - refer to the Human Rights Watch reports and other literature produced between 1995-2001.
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