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Posted 21 May 2008 - 05:46 AM

Finally, the map is finished!!!

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Posted 21 May 2008 - 06:07 AM

Hmm.. That's nice but where will the new international borders be drawn and in what countries ...
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Posted 21 May 2008 - 06:08 AM

I like how big it is :)
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Posted 21 May 2008 - 06:27 AM

[QUOTE=Gul agha;9263]Finally, the map is finished!!!

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What is this based on?


Why does exclude all of the lands in the south of Afghanistan?


I do not agree with this map - It is totally illogical.


So do not use the words 'we finally have a map'.
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Posted 21 May 2008 - 06:30 AM

Maybe because the Pashtuns are anti-Khorasan and anti-Persian ?
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Why does exclude all of the lands in the south of Afghanistan?
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Posted 21 May 2008 - 06:39 AM

[QUOTE=Nader Shah;9269]Maybe because the Pashtuns are anti-Khorasan and anti-Persian ?[/QUOTE]

And Uzbeks Turkomans are pro Khurasan?

This is a bull map - because there are countless Tajiks living in the south of Afghanistan.
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Posted 21 May 2008 - 07:06 AM

[QUOTE=Ahhangar;9271][/QUOTE]And Uzbeks, Turkmens are pro Khurasan? If Pashtuns are the problem - there are loads of them in the west and north of Afghanistan as well.

This is a bull map - because it has no logical base - it is not historical - or economical or cultural and it is not based on a wise consideration of a future map of Khorasan. It is simply very armature. Or then again it is perfect for those whom are anti Tajik.

There are countless Tajiks living in the south of Afghanistan and in Syr Darya region of Kazakhstan.
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Posted 21 May 2008 - 11:45 AM

most of southern afghanistan was known as Sistan or Segestan not Khorasan. The boundaries of this map is based on history. Helmand, Nimroz, Kandahar, and Zabul were never part of Greater Khorasan. Sistan/Zabulistan also belongs to us but it would not be right to call it Khorasan.
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Posted 21 May 2008 - 11:56 AM

Map is not full. Why have forgotten about Tajiks of China? And also is included too much grounds of Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan. In my opinion, we should include in the map of Khorasan only 4 villages of Uzbekistan (Samarqand, Bukhara, Surkhondaryo and Qashqadaryo) and 1 village of Turkmenistan (Merv).
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Posted 21 May 2008 - 11:58 AM

Zabul=Kabul and part of Kabulzameen and Sistan is populated by Tajiks and is also part of Zabul (Zabul is called also the western part of Balochistan and eastern Iran)...like entire northern Kandahar, also north-western Pakistan, the area of Chitral in Tiraj Mir, Tajik (eastern Iranian (Bactrian)) people. Helmand is part of Khurasanzameen. In for me it is not possible to give up Kandahar or Helmand. never...either i will take it from Awghans by war or they have to live that country as result of revange and ethnic genocides as they did to mio. of Tajiks or they live Khurasanzameen freely and return back to their original home where they can eat and do evry shit they want...inshallah.

Merv and Sanjar, Gardez, Jalalabad, Laghman, Farah ...where are all those places?

First Tajiks of Tajikistan get up military and Tajiks of Afghanistan get stronger and more nationalistic we will be able to establish our own strong military with the banner of the own identity, culture, language, self-determination...than we will get Samarqand, Bukhara and other part of Khurasanzameen back and also Kandahar..these bloody nomads has nothing to offer against us..the Taliban couldnt do sth about some 27 000 strong man so they will never be able!!!

Ps: Iran is looking to take over of Sistan and the Helmand river..another great Ideo of our neighbour so Awghuls will only have Kandahar and a little part of Helmand and both provinces are populated relatively thin compared to the other nations (Kuchi Nomads do not count)
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Posted 22 May 2008 - 12:44 AM

Ahhangar e gerami,

Instead of being harsh and attached to your emotions, you could do a lot better job by suggesting what would you like to see in the map. We all know that the map is not the perfect, but we could make it close to perfect by discussing and exchanging views. So, please stop your harsh rhetoric and come up with good and informative suggestions instead.


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[QUOTE=Ahhangar;9267]What is this based on?


Why does exclude all of the lands in the south of Afghanistan?


I do not agree with this map - It is totally illogical.


So do not use the words 'we finally have a map'.[/QUOTE]
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Posted 22 May 2008 - 12:46 AM

Where is exactly and how many?

[QUOTE=Ahhangar;9271]And Uzbeks Turkomans are pro Khurasan?

This is a bull map - because there are countless Tajiks living in the south of Afghanistan.[/QUOTE]
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Posted 22 May 2008 - 08:44 AM

This map is based on history, I am not sure how much it will be realistic in todays' world.
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Posted 22 May 2008 - 05:02 PM

[QUOTE=Rika Khana;9341]This map is based on history, I am not sure how much it will be realistic in todays' world.[/QUOTE]

With military power, trhe truth, historical knowledge and the respect of the own identity and history, of our fathers, mothers, brothers and sisters we lost there in wars and battles, from ancient days till now, and a bit vendeta-feeling and more nationalism and militarism everything is possible...Qazam!
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Posted 23 May 2008 - 05:59 PM

[QUOTE=Gul agha;9287]most of southern afghanistan was known as Sistan or Segestan not Khorasan. The boundaries of this map is based on history. Helmand, Nimroz, Kandahar, and Zabul were never part of Greater Khorasan. Sistan/Zabulistan also belongs to us but it would not be right to call it Khorasan.[/QUOTE]

Gul Agha - why pretend that it is based on history - when it is based solely on the exclusion of the southern areas because it is currently populated by many Pashtuns?

If it was based on history - in which part of history was Nooristan ( Kaffirstan of old) part of Khorasan? Everything north of Amu Darya was known strictly as Mawar Ul Nahr and referred to as such - and in history Tokharistan was also considered as separate from the limited view of Khorasan as much as Seistan was considered separate.

The reality is that you have drawn these lines to without much attention being payed to history - only to a confused vision infused with fear of Pashtuns and and a delusional idea of unity with Uzbeks - Turkoman and Hazaras - which at its heart does not have the interests of Parsians (Tajiks).

The Tajiks of the south - Gardez - Logar - Nangarhar - Laghman - Ghazni - Moqqur - Kandahar - Uruzgan - Paktyka - Kandahar - Helmand - Nimroz represent the remanents of the much bigger populations of Tajiks that resided in the south before its was plundered and destroyed by the maurading mongolic Pashtuns or simply adopted Pashto as their language due to the encroachment of the Pashtuns into their area - and thus to need be reconverted to Tajiks. To any patriotic Tajik - they are just as important as the Tajiks of the northern areas - and much more important than concerns about unity with backstabbing Tajik hating Uzbeks/Hazaras.

Khorasan as the heart of Iranian civilization is the entity under which all of the provinces fall - from Seistan to Zabulistan - to Kabulistan - to Tokharistan - to greater Ghor - to Bakhtar - to all the areas falsely called Turkistan (mawar ul nahr) in the north - and to the areas in the west up to Ray/Kerman/Caspian. These areas form the core of the Khorasani area. On the east the Sulaiman mountains represented its border - which is the same as the current Durrand line marking Afghanistan's border with Pakistan.



The areas outside this core - on all sides represent areas that bear strong similarity to the Khorasani area - called GREATER IRAN/ARIANA - Pakistan being a good example to east - and Western China being another - and in the west all areas up to Baghdad - in the north east extending up to the Caucuses Dagestan.

Within this Greater Iran vision - a Khorasan serving as the heart and guarantor of Iranian civilization as it had done in the past.
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Posted 23 May 2008 - 06:08 PM

[QUOTE=Parsistani;9376]With military power, trhe truth, historical knowledge and the respect of the own identity and history, of our fathers, mothers, brothers and sisters we lost there in wars and battles, from ancient days till now, and a bit vendeta-feeling and more nationalism and militarism everything is possible...Qazam![/QUOTE]

PARSI - indeed my brother.
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Posted 27 May 2008 - 04:43 AM

Awesome! Thank you Gul Agha e gerami for making this map.

We already had maps of Khorasan in many books and encyclopedias. But unfortunately they were not licensed for free use. Now we have a map that can be used freely for educational purposes.

We need to release this map to the internet and license it so that it can be used freely. I will let you know how soon.
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Posted 07 June 2008 - 03:33 AM

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Well Greater Khorasan includes(this is based on history under various dynasties such as Bactrian, Parthian, Tahirid, Saffarid, Samanid, Ghaznevid, Seljuq, Khorazmshah, Kartid, Sarbedarid, Timurid, Safavid, Afshar, Qajar.
1) Iran: 1)Khorasan-e Razavi 2)Khorasan-e Shomali 3)Khorasan-e Jonoubi 4)Semnan 5)Yazd 6)Sistan 7)Gorgan
2)Afghanistan
3)Tajikistan
4)Turkmenistan: half of the country(Southern and Eastern)
5)Uzbekistan

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Pakistan: Makran, Baluchistan, Sind, North West
Iran: Kerman, Mazandaran, Gilan, Tehran, Markazi, Zanjan, Qazvin, Qom, Hamedan.
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Posted 07 June 2008 - 07:19 AM

Big Yellow is Khorasan during Safavid period included (Khorasan Razavi,Khorasan SHomali,Khorasan Jonoubi,Yazd,Semnan,Afghanistan,Turkmenistan.)
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Pink + Yellow is Khorasan late Safavid and Ghilzai period
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Big Pink is Khorasan Afsharid Period
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source: http://www.philograp...middleeast.html

Qajar period as you can see (Khorasan included Semnan province, while Kuhestan was autonomous)
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Pahlavi period to 2004
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Khorasan largest province in Iran
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2004 to now, Khorasan divided into 4!(28,29,30 and part of 23.) :mad:
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Posted 07 June 2008 - 09:01 AM

The map is good, thanks. It reminds me the map of Samanids state in our school history textbooks.
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