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  1. In Topic: Monomaniacal Disease of Afghans

    Posted 20 Sep 2009

    View Post TajikGunner, on 19 September 2009 - 06:43 PM, said:

    His mentality is that of Talib. He maybe western educated and an American passport carrier (he hasn't even given up yet his US passport), but his mentality and thinking is that of a Talib. At the time of Taliban occupation of our country, he was supporting them wholeheartedly and in one of his writings he called them, and I quote him, "sons of Mirwais Neka and Ahmad Khan Multani". I have not got now a source for that. He openly sympathized with Taliban movement at their heyday together with most Pashton intelligentsia, like Jalali and Ahadi...

    Unification of NWFP with “Awghanistan” will have a domino effect and trigger and speed up the whole sale disintegration of the country. In a way I'm looking forward to the way when both Lar Aw Bar Pashtons join together. Although it would be fuel to the fire, but it will be burning in southern Pashton regions, and by then the artificial country of “Awghanistabn” would have already been partitioned and separated.


    Im sorry, I think you misunderstood my comment. I didnt ask for your opinion, as you have already shared it. I asked for you to substantiate your claim with a source, link, documentation etc

    If the sole source of your claim that Ashraf Ghani Ahmadzai is a necktie wearing Talib, is the notion that he was sympathetic to the movement when it first emerged, then this is a poor argument (again, assuming you can substantiate it)

    It is poor because a significant number of Pashtuns were fooled into sympathezing with the Taliban when it first emerged for several reasons.

    1. The hidden hand of the Pakistani security apparatus was not apparent in the beginning of the movement except for a few insiders who were privy to that information
    2. The Taliban publicly declared no claim to power, and only sought to eradicate lawlessness and unislamic behaviour amongst the various warlords, and sought to restore justice and law
    3. Some Taliban openly flirted with the notion of restoring Zahir Shah to the throne, which was a welcome development
    4. Many Afghans, not just Pashtuns, welcomed the Talibs with open arms as they presented an excellent alternative to the prevailing circumstances at the time
    5. Although the Taliban were a Pashtun militia, there was no indication that they sought to monopolize power in Pashtun hands and oppress the other ethnicites

    I would go so far as to say, that anyone who wasnt tied explicitly to one or more of the Jihadi factions locked in battle, was sympathetic to the Taliban when they first emerged. Many Pashtun intelligensia openly sympathized with a vigilante movement that sought to eradicate the lawlessness and brutality of the 90s militias. These same members of the Pashtun intelligensia, with the exception of those who tied themselves to the regime (and this included many Jihadis, and even Khalqis), one by one over the course of the regime, denounced the Taliban.

    You may not be aware of this, as you seem to recieve news and information from a narrow ethnically focused source, but there were even delegations of exiled Pashtun notables who travelled to Afghanistan to meet with the Talib shura and implore them to change some of their policies (ie. ethnic polarization, religious fundementalism, etc). As the Taliban consolidated their hold over Afghanistan, and moved closer to Al Qaeda, they became increasingly unwilling to accept opposing views, thus alienating the majority of Pashtuns who originally sympathized with them. This is why the Taliban regime fell so easily, and why resistance was minimal in 2001.

    So denouncing Ashraf Ghani for originally sympathizing with the Taliban, as millions of Afghans did, is dishonest. This same Ashraf Ghani openly favoured excluding Taliban regime remnants, however "moderate", from the Bonn Conference because the Taliban had so openly flaunted and disobeyed international conventions. Indeed, if you were to objectively research Ashraf Ghanis life and politics, you will see very little that ties him to the Taliban. This is the same man who openly denounced the Taliban as "Jahil" in Feb 2001 (http://www.effectivestates. org/Articles/Death%20and%20Taxes% 20in%20Kabul.pdf).

    This is a man who is without a doubt, one of the most capable minds our country has produced. What he did at the Ministry of Finance speaks for itself. He was the only major presidential candidate, who didnt campaign on ethnicity, or power politics, but on a actual, concise platform, with clear facts, figures and benchmarks. The majority of you people supported Dr Abdullah, who offered NO SPECIFICS OR POLICIES, but simply ran on an Anti Karzai ticket.

    I can understand how some of you may be suspicious about a Pashtun elite such as Ashraf Ghani, and considering the history of our nation and the behaviour of our Pashtun elite, such suspicion is certainly valid. But in the case of Ashraf Ghani, NOTHING exists to actualize that suspicion into outright hostility, and in fact, any objective review of his life, policies and achievements will automatically dispel any suspicions

    I would venture, the real reason for your hate, and the real reason why Gul Agha slanders him with unsubstianted lies, is that the notion of an educated, progressive Pashtun is a threat to your fraudalent ideology. It is in your best interest, for the image of Pashtuns to continue to remain that of a backwards, uneducated lot, so that your pseudo racist jibberish can have any validation.


    Viewing political developments in Afghanistan through a simplistic, black and white narrative exposes your lack of knowledge.
  2. In Topic: Monomaniacal Disease of Afghans

    Posted 18 Sep 2009

    View Post TajikGunner, on 18 September 2009 - 03:54 PM, said:

    Dear Madina jaan….Are you sure you're a Tajik? Can we have a DNA check please or maybe we can have a lie detector test as well? lol If you're a Tajik- which I'm certain you're NOT- then you're an undead, a living dead, a ZOMBIE Tajik and our nation is better off without you.

    You're more dangerous to our movement than Taliban and Awghan Melat chauvinists combined. Gul Agha brother made a point of educating you but you're still AMO KHARAK wa AMO DARAK. Please grow up. You're ignorance is breathtaking. Tajiks would never support the Talib-with-nicktie-and-degree Ashraf Ghani Ahmadzai!

    Tajiks are people of LOVE and our language is called the language of LOVE. But you can be sure that we're at a stage when nothing else matters apart from TAJIK national interest. No compromise when it comes the issue of TAJIK national interest and union and unity of TAJIK people all over the world.

    Please cancell your identity and come back here with your BURQA and CHADURI removed so that we can see you as the person you really are and not as person you're pretenting yourself to be. We have a lot respect for all ethnic groups, including Pashtons and you're most welcome in this forum to take part.


    can you please substantiate, with proof, your assertion that Ashraf Ghani Ahmadzai is a necktie wearing Taliban (lol). I eagerly await your response

    As for the Durand Line, as a Pashtun, I have always felt that any claim to Pashtun lands, automatically voids any claim we have to north of the Hindu Kush. We cant have it both ways, and this is an idea that is lost on Pashtun nationalists.

    i also have always felt that there needs to be an official plesbicite in Pakhtukhwa regarding unification. If the Pashtuns of Pakistan indicate in a free and open election, that they choose to be with Pakistan, then that ends all debate on the Durand Line

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