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Everytime I think about this thread i cringe
I came online to delete my posts but it appears that its not possible to edit posts after a certain period of time.
I regret everything i said about turkmen. I broke bread with these people, they held a hand out to me whenever I fell, they were and are my friends. When i lie down to sleep, i have been seeing their faces over the past few days. I have seen nothing but kindness from them and yet i insulted them. if thats not bisharaf then i dont what is. I have a wretched temper that has put me in trouble in the past and will take me straight to hell.

I have let it get the better of me on this very forum in the way i have talked about Indians, Pashtuns, Uzbeks etc. But with turkmen its different because i have lived with them and i dont know how i will look at them in the face again.

They are good muslims and they are honest hardworking people. Times have not been good to them since the Qajar and afshar arrived in khorasan but all that happens is god's will. we won because they were the arrogant ones and we were god-fearing humble barely clothed sufis from ardabil. Now we have become arrogant and many of the westernized ones amongs us have lost their faith; now they are the humble muslims. tobeh

This is also addressed to you, Parsistani . If you fear that your language will take you to hell atleast dont drag the rest of us with you.
I even regret the way i spoke about Nick, not to mention that it was during ramazan. I want to crush his skull everytime i read one of his posts but its no excuse for me to speak like that about a father.

This forum is bringing out an ugly side of my character.
This will be my last post here.

Avqust23, on 19 September 2011 - 11:54 AM, said:

Finally, You came back to my initial point.

Turkic= Turkic speaking
I am also Germanic (aka English Speaking)

Linguisitic categories dont mean anything. I dont share anything with the Germanic African American Tyrone and I dont share anything with Germanic Bob, the balding white dude down at the buisness office. I also dont share anything with you.

I am Turkic for the same reason I am Germanic. We wanted to learn and to adapt.
The steppe warrior culture of the medival turks must have been attractive to my ancestors and so they learned turkic, the language of the army.
I am in America for the same reason.
I must become Germanicized so that I may learn the ways of the western Military-Industrial Complex. The western Military-Industrial complex is the modern equivalent of the Turko-Mongol Steppe cultures; a culture of conquest and domination. One day they will regret the education they gave me and my peers just as Shaybani regretted everything his kinsmen taught qizilbash.

Nietchze said, "Those who fight with monsters must be careful to not become monsters themselves"
He was right but it doesnt matter either way.
I became Turkic and I will become Germanic but none of that really matters.
The only loyalty i have is to my soil and to my people and that will never change.

Avqust23, on 19 September 2011 - 12:16 PM, said:

And still neither of you packs a hair over 5 inches.

Dont worry, we pose no threat to Uzbek women, for obvious reasons.
"After the Persians had forced the Uzbek khanate of Bokhara to submit, Nader wanted Reza [Reza Qoli Afshar] to marry the khan's elder daughter because she was a descendant of his hero Genghis Khan, but Reza flatly refused and Nader married the girl himself."
I may consider marrying one of you as an act of of supreme kindness but, as per Qizilbash tradition, sons by non-Qizilbash mothers will not be allowed to inherit property.

PS. I dont believe you

Bump

Avqust, I like Uzbeks and Uzbek culture. Take my comments personally; not as an attack on the Uzbek ethnicity. Khorasan would be incomplete without Uzbeks. I wish khorasan could be like the old days; Uzbeks on the plains and Persians in the cities; without ethnic chauvinism and with mutual respect.

However, although this is my genuine wish, I have prepared myself for less favorable scenarios.

Avqust23, on 17 September 2011 - 07:35 PM, said:

There is a clear categorical difference between the Social sciences (Anthropology, Linguistics etc.) and Hard Sciences (Genetics and Morphology etc.).

I refuse to accept Western theories on the Social sciences but i have no choice but to accept Genetic realities.
Whereas Linguistic classifications are scantly supported by empirical evidence, there is no denying the implication of Y-lineage genetic testing which has shown that the overwhelming majority of Qizilbash and Azeris have no genetic links to the Turkic people of Central Asia. We are a middle-eastern people speaking a Turkic language. We are as Turkic as you are Germanic (in so much as you speak English). The say that blood is thicker than water, but frankly you and I dont even share water.

These linguistic classifications have never carried any real weight in the real world. The Turkic Mohammad Shaybani didnt expect or receive any mercy from the "Turkic" speaking Shamlu who jammed a lance into his trachea and the "Iranic" people of Qandahar didnt expect or receive any mercy from the "Iranic" speaking Bakhtiaris who descended on their city. Get real.

Parsistani and Gul Agha are both from "Indo-European" (Kurdish) derived Qizilbash groups, I am paternally form a Turkic speaking derived Qizilbash group. If you think i would prefer you over them you really need to get your head examined.

I dont know what battlefield record you are boasting of. When Shah Ismail was in Samarqand in 1512 and when Nader Shah Afshar was in Samarqand in 1740 we saw very little boasting. What we did see was alot of the good old "bow until your head hits the floor routine". The fact of the matter is that you have never defeated us in a proper battle. The only pitched battle that you did win was when you defeated Amir Nadjm's army; even that was only because the Afshar and Rumlu factions had rebelled and beheaded Amir Nadjm.

I have no idea what you think you can prove with the whole "look at your eyes" charade. That should be the last thing you should say; if anything, we have abnormally big eyes.
I'll play along.

Contemporary Painting of Nader Shah Afshar (Qizilbash on both sides of his family) and his sons (including Reza Qoli Afshar, the conqueror of the Uzbeks):



Contemporary Painting of Fath Ali Shah (Qizilbash on both sides of his family):



Abbas Mirza Qajar, the bravest of the Qajar:



Contemporary painting of a Qajar prince (Left) and a Qajar warrior:



I was tempted to thrown in a pic of myself for good measure but i think ill pass.

PS. I dont know what your intentions are but i intend to reclaim Samarqand and Bukhara and to help its Persian people gain their right to self-determination. I have a certain affinity for the Turkic cultures of central asia but i wont hesistate to slit you and your kin's throats if you get in the way of my goals. My personal tastes are one thing but business is business and, believe me, my family has been prospering in the throat cutting business since the late 15th century. We played this same game when you were Uzbeks and we walked away with your skulls; It would be terribly unwise if you were to play this same game as Uzbekovs.