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  1. who are you?

    Posted 31 May 2008

    Dorood all,

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    It is very interesting that all of these new channels are all overwhelmingly in PARSI . It proves a long know point of the fact that Parsi is our majority language and the ligua franca of the community that hails from Afghanistan.Those Pashtun - Uzbeks and others in the west whom had been living in isolation from Parsi speakers with no knowledge of Parsi are all now exposed to it fully though these channels. They even have some programs which are helpfully in Pashto and Parsi - easing their acquiring of the Parsi language.Peace and prosperity will not come to our region without the restoration of a true Pars (Tajik) state lead by the true Pars (Tajik) sons of that soil.Ahhangar


    How far is Tajikistan in the world of development, science, technology? Your country is 122 when it comes to HD Index (155 countries in total). Where is the TRUE pars? Have you guys asked yourself, why are you so behind? Iran the great is 94 (and that is all because of Azeri Turks). So what are you guys so proud of? Shouldn't you be one of the top 3?

    what is the point of 100 million years of history, mawlana balkhi or pars empire? what is the point of history if you don't have any present or future?

    what have you guys gained from calling us BE FARHANG AWGHAN? what have you guys gained from chaning history?
  2. Dari?Tajiki?Farsi?Parsi?Persian? - Nick's post

    Posted 26 May 2008

    I found this interesting thread at one of the Afghan forums. Since Nick is not here I will just paste everything here..

    enjoy

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    This is one of my old post which i against pan-Iranist who claimed abouts of anything. However its still useful. I want to rise these issue to those whom are scared of it. Its matter of history and facts and we shell always be aware of those who makeup history without looking at facts. BTW Someone told me to post this so that's why i thought maybe i should.


    This is regard to some of misunderstanding of few Non-Afghans.

    Parsi/Dari/Tajiki/Farsi are all part of the neo-western Aryan langauge. However oldest of them all is Dari. Dari was created during Afghan Samanids era and later was transfered into Pars of iran. It was during Mommod era that Iranians started to speak our langauge and their broken Dari version was to be known Parsi. Later since Pars was very close to Arabs. The new langauge became famous as Farsi and not Dari. Safivades used this new broken dari Or I should say they promoted Parsi to cut out Arabic speakers of Iran. (Just like how Pakistanis choose Urdu over Punjabi to cut themselfs off from India and even trying to speak the hardcore Urdu which is basiclly DARI/Farsi.) Also Note All of western Iranian parts were Arabic speak until this day they still 10% Arabic speakers) This is due to Safivads already had control of Sunni (Afghan) and Arabs were much stonger and for this Shia empire anything that takes them far from Arab is better SO that's why Parsi was used. (Also note that parsi is the language of Local PARS PEOPLE of IRAN not all of iran) And Pars people prased this new language cause it had links to Sassanian language (Palavi which is one of the mixtures of Dari language) Dari is the oldest of all western Iranians langauges and what makes it a universal langauge is that is has mixture of Avesta (Middle Pashtu), Palavi (Sassanian) and Quranic (Arabic). That's because middle pashtu was the langauge of Afghans, Palavi the language of Sassanian (Western Iranians) and Arabic was the holy of all muslim world and it was the courty langauge which it has to be spoken.

    Today The purist form and oldest language that you can find would be the language of Kurdish which is basiclly Palavi form. And since Palavi is Western Aryan mixed langauge of Medes means it shares its root to Avesta or i should say Pashtu. SO please hating on our beloved language pashtu. Pashtu has deep roots in Aryan langauge and both Avesta and Sanskirt which were created in Afghanistan proves Pashtu as an Old language with modified Arabic words.


    Facts.
    Parsi is broken version of our langauge Dari
    Farsi is refered to Parsi speakers of PARS.
    Modern Farsi is much better then old Parsi since they have been trying for your to get close to language of Balkhi (DARI) known as Tehrani FARsi is very Formal in Iran.




    Tajiki is also Western Iranian langauge.
    Tajiki is refered to modern langauge of Turk people of non-Turkic speaker.
    Tajikis are known as Mongolid Afghans just like Irano-Turk, or part of the Mongolid irano afghan. Another words they are Turkic people.
    Tajiki has alot of Turkic words but over 100 years of Russian control They have lost links and so Russian words are also mixed.



    This is for those who argue for those users who claim that Nick is wrong and that Farsi did not came from Parsi.etc etc

    Note All of these are personal latters from normal iranians and since its Iranian i accept nothing other then what about to post. (to prove my point only)

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    Iran covers more ground than 'Persia' which is appicable to our language (please parsi, not farsi which is the Arabic pronunciation for it), and by extension, to many aspects of our culture, but by no means to the whole of our identity

    http://www.iranian.c... rman/index.html









    And this is for those who claim IRAN LAND Of ARYAN too bad iranians are not happy with term (IRAN) since Pars province was the large province and today more then 60% of the nation to have come from Pars province and Tehran is the most populated Parsi province even thought being smaller then Pars province (It was divided during Qajars) modern Pars is smaller then it was. (NOTE Iam not talking about Greek version of all Aryanic nation. )


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    So, Iranian or Persian? I would opt for Iran, and leave Pars to the inhabitants of the province that was the heartland of our history (they do recognize themselves as being from Pars, contrary to what someone has said on your site). Even in the Encylopaedia Iranica, an invaluable contribution to the understandinf of Iran and Iranian, the choice of Persia in preference to Iran, gives rise to some awkward dilemmas. Jahanshah attributes the use of 'Iran' to a visit by Hitler's finance chancellor, Schacht. This is to ignore that the term Aryan or 'Iran' was usurped and misused by Nazis, and refers uniquely to Indo-Iranians as they knew themselves and only themselves after separation from the rest of the Indo-Europeans.



    This is for those who have misunderstood the Term DARI of Sassianian language and Modern Afghan Language of DAri.

    I like this since it has some facts better then other latters. I don't trust in all but hey what can you say its Iranis.

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    2. Dari differs from Farsi in possessing fewer borrowings from Arabic. Over the centuries, Dari speakers have experienced extensive political pressure to yield up the language. Today there are less than 10,000 of them worldwide, most of them in Kerman and Yazd. Dari belongs to the N. Western Iranian language family and is related to Kurdish Gilaki and Balochi. It is not equated with the Dari spoken in Afghanistan.

    http://www.iranian.c... oyce/index.html






    This is for those iranian who claim non-sense like ohh Arabic has no arabic link. (Yes i am talking about Gul agha, Troy) and Dari is our language etc etc etc (BTW This article is from some Iranian)

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    In our own history, you never come across a reference to the term "Persian," a term you have used repeatedly in your article ["Forgiving Salm and Tur"]. "Iran" and "Aniran" ( i.e., non-Iranian) are terms used in the pre-Islamic era, when there is no talk of the supremacy of Persians (people who live in Fars and in general mainland Iran) over other ethnic groups living on the fringes of the Iranian plateau.After Islam, for hundreds of years, we did not have an entity called Iran. The Persian language carried the burden of "cultural unification." As a matter of fact, what we call the Persian language, has its origin in the Khorasani accent of the old Pahlavi language which spread from northeastern Iran.Your refere to the Persian language as if it is a legacy of the people of Fars. This is wrong. In the vacuum created after Islam, the Dari variation of Farsi -- an Indo-Iranian language -- became a good and natural alternative to Arabic. The Pahlavi language of Fars perished and Dari from Khorasan replaced it. Farsi belongs to all Iranians.I do not disagree with you on all the points you have discussed in your article but then again, do not categorize all iranians as people with a sense of supremacy towards all third world people and an inferiority complex towards the first worlders, or as people who do not want their children to marry Blacks, etc. People are different in all societies.Kaveh Ghayourkghayour@aero.odu. edu



    http://www.iranian.c... ct98/index.html



    And this is and Iranian teacher wanting to teach dari over persian. yes dari and safivadi dari (Parsi) is different.



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    In teaching Persian, I am proud of introducing my students into an old literature. It might be different in teaching "Farsi" instead even if the content would be the same. In my feeling, Farsi refers more to the modern Iranian version of this language (even if the name Farsi has been used since centuries by Iranians) and therefore lacks in universality.If my teaching would concern Dari, I guess nobody would object that it restricts its goal to the Afghan version. I would not object if "Franco-provencal" was taught in a foreign university, but I would not expect the course to include Racine and Corneille.Yann RichardEtudes iraniennesSorbonne nouvelleParisyann.richard@UNIV- PARIS3.FR



    BEfore you guys comes here and promote your non-sense Persian thing please review your history books and read some book not wikipedia which is writen by gul agha (TAJIK) or this Behnam kid. True that you guys have won honors in wikipedia since you guys are the only ones to contribute in wikipdia for your wrong pro-safivadi articles with old safivadi sources. Please please read some books yes new iranian books which are updated and since you guys are iranian its good for you. And if you want i can post some articles from those books. Its not pro-Afghan. All Iranian books are anti-Afghan, but atlease they hold few facts compare you people fooling other into using wikipedia facts which are just made up.





    (You wont hear an Afghan call himself Afghoon, like an Irani calls himself Irooni).

    I'm not trying to be arrogant at all, but just letting you know that Dari is much closer to the language of Hafez and Ferdowsi,


    Ze she'r-e delkash-e Hafez kasi buwad agah
    Ke lutf tab' o sukhan goftan-e dari daanad



    Even Ferdowsi who was spend must of his live in Afghan land even thought he wasn't Afghan.





    At last please read this article Some iranian are very aware of the facts going on around and they know that native of people of Pars came from our land or from outside Western Iran. Anyways just the article.

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    Persian or Farsi?The debate continues...By Kamran TalattofPrinceton UniversityDecember 16, 1997The IranianIn recent years, there has been a growing tendency to refer to Persian as Farsi. Professor Ehsan Yarshater, editor of the Encyclopaedia Iranica, has written about the damage wrought by changing "Persia" to "Iran" and has pointed out that the use of Farsi in foreign languages is as detrimental.(1) Here, I would like to focus on the latter issue and explain the reasons behind the growth of tendencies to call Persian Farsi.Persian, the term used for centuries in the West, originated in a region of southern Iran formerly known as Persis. It was the language of the Parsa, an Indo-European nomadic people who migrated into the region about 1000 BC. The older forms of the language are known as Old and Middle Persian. Old Persian was spoken until approximately the 3rd century BC and Middle Persian, or Pahlavi, was spoken from the 3rd century BC to the 9th century AD.Quote:http://img252. images.../iranmapuk6.jpg The use of the names Persia and Persian were gradually extended by the ancient Greeks and other Western peoples to apply to the Iranian Plateau and the official language in the region respectively. New Persian is closely related to these ancient forms. Persian became the lingua franca of the region during the Islamic period. It was the official language of countries such as India for many centuries during which time numerous annals, chronicles, and court volumes of poetry were compiled outside Iran. (2)Today, Persian is not only the name of the official language in Iran but also of the Republic of Tajikistan, and Afghanistan, and different dialects of this language are spoken in many regions of south and central Asia.(3)In recent years the word Farsi, the Arabized form of "Parsi," the name of the language in Persian, has become the standard word used by many English and non-English speakers to refer to modern Persian. Some Iranian authorities have actually encouraged this and have engaged in a systematic attempt to change the name of the language in the international communities to Farsi.(4)This attempt to replace the word "Persian" with "Farsi" is not only incongruous with the history of the language but also creates confusion and misunderstanding. While the use of the word "Farsi" is a political statement for some Iranian authorities, for others it may indicate a lack of knowledge about the history of this language. It indicates that those who carelessly promote the use of the word Farsi are indeed engaging in an equivocal representation of this language and may not, by any means, be promoting Iranian culture.Three main groups use the word Farsi instead of Persian while speaking English: non-Iranians who are somewhat familiar with the country and its culture; second-generation Iranians who know some Persian, and Iranians, including some officials, who do not have a sound knowledge about their culture and language.The first two groups find it more confortable to refer to the language as Farsi and the third group finds it more politically correct to do so. In either case they do not do justice when they try to change the name of this language in English.No matter who does it, there are three reasons why it is a mistake to refer to the Persian language as Farsi. First, it is ignoring the above historical facts about this language. It is as incorrect as calling the Persian Gulf as the Farsi Gulf. Moreover, the name Farsi is obscure and under the best conditions refers only to certain dialects such as the Persian of Iran as opposed to Tajiki, the Persian of Tajikistan or Dari, the Persian of Afghanistan, or even one may say Isfahani, the Persian of Isfahan.Second, the use of word Farsi in English strikes a discordant tone to the native speaker. Imagine someone speaking in English about their recent trip to Paris saying, "I went to Paris and there I spoke Francais." To use the word Farsi has the same impact and may sound not only pretentious at times but also destructive of English syntax.Third, the word Persian in the mind of an English speaker, consciously or not, recalls many other historical and cultural legacies about Iran. Persian is closely associated with Persian poetry, Persian carpets, Persian cats, Persian poetry, Persian pistachios, and so on. When you refer to this language as Persian, the audience may associate it with one or more of these relevant ideas. On the contrary, the word Farsi not only voids these historical and cultural associations, but it also adds to the recent portrayal of Iran as a strange and distant society.This problem is not limited to the use of this word in English. Similar problems exist among French speaking Iranians and their friends who refer to Persian as Farsi. The issue is even more problematic in the case of French because the word Farsi sounds similar to the word Farci (stuffed) and therefore does not evoke any cultural connotations at all.We should therefore avoid the use of the word Farsi instead of Persian (or Persan in French) because it not only violates historical fact but also some of the regularities of the language in which we speak. I believe that Persian is the true and proper name of this language in foreign tongues and international communities and changing it does not benefit the representation of Iranian culture.Related links* I speak Farsi -- By Sussan Tahmasebi* Eenjoori Beneveeseem? -- A debate on whether to change the Persian alphabet.* Cover stories* Who's whoNotes1. See Ehsan Yarshater, "Zaban-i Nozohur" IrnianShenasi: A Journal of Iranian Studies, IV, I (Spring, 1992), 27-30; "Iran Ra dar Zabanha-ye Khareji Cheh Bayad Khand?" Rahavard: A Journal of Iranian Studies, V & VI, 20/21 (Summer & Fall, 1988), 70-75; and Nam-e Keshvar-e Ma Ra dar Zaban-e Engelisi Cheh Bayad Khand?" Rahavard, VIII, 29, (Spring, 1992), 22-26. (Back to article)2. See Edward G. Browne, A Literary History of Persia (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1902-4) and Jan Rypka, History of Iranian Literature (Dordrecht, Holland, 1968). (Back to article)3. For more information see, Kent, Roland G. (Roland Grubb), Old Persian: grammar, texts, lexicon. 2d ed. (New Haven, American Oriental Society, 1953); Dandamaev, M. A. Iranians in Achaemenid Babylonia, (Costa Mesa, Calif. : Mazda Publishers in association with Bibliotheca Persica, 1992); and Johnson, Edwin Lee. Historical grammar of the ancient Persian language (New York: American book company, 1917). (Back to article)4 English language journals published in Iran., text books published by the Ministry of Islamic Culture and Guidance, and materials published for tourists often refer to Persian as Farsi. (Back to article)


    http://www.iranian.c... /Dec97/Persian/



    The articles and latters that i have mosted have also been used by other iranian site. Some Iranians are very educated and they know the difference between Parsi/DAri/Tajiki. And they also know that our Dari is the oldest form of new Aryanic langauges. DAri belongs to no-one if anyone it would be pre-avestain/pashtuwans of Afghan land Aryana, and its a mixture of all langauges with three main body langauges. (Palavi/Avesta/Arabic)


    Here IS A MAP and no i don't have hours to make maps for fake reason like Gul agha or make any movies etc etc. i got this map from, http://www.tarjomeh.com and note Zahedhan is the eight most populated city of Iran and 4rd most populated pashtu speaking off all Afghan land after.
    http://www.tarjomeh.... p-languages.gif

    Tarjomeh Localization Ltd as an international Farsi translation provider has a Dutch company as its mother company. They have staff from Iran to Iraq etc etc





    BTW i asked them why they had pashtu coloured all of balochistan/sistan at the bottom and they said because Balochis were western Iranian who came to this afghan land (Sistan) But i think they maybe right Even the Balochis claim to be Jews of Kurdish origin. Anyways here is another map of Iran, because they mixed Sistan with Balochistan, and often people get confused of who is Pashtu/sistani or who is Balochi speaking.
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    talk about identity crisis LOL you people are lost. LOL
  3. Pashtuns are slowly waking up

    Posted 26 May 2008

    Pashtons are slowly waking up, and it is only a matter of time that inshallah we will get all our rights (land + language).

    I hope the admin does not block me just because I am a Pashton (It will only show how weak the tajiks are).





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  4. Loy Afghanistan Maps

    Posted 26 May 2008

    *Pashtunistan is a fantasy that will never become true*

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