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#21 User is offline   Ahhangar Icon

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Posted 16 June 2008 - 01:22 PM

Guys,

Even if Ahmad Zahir openly admitted he was a Pashtoon and that there was no doubt he was a Pashtoon - it is clear that he preferred Persian and was made famous due to his beautiful Persian songs. IF he had song all of his songs in Pashto - he would not have been as famous or esteemed.

Another good singer was Farhad e Darya - a Jaji Naqel Pashtoon of Kondoz - whom initially began singing only Pashto songs - but became famous and appreciated when he switched to mainly Persian songs.

Persian is the main language of Afghanistan - there is no denying it. The simple fact that the satellite channels catering to the diaspora from Afghanistan - the over whelming majority of them use Persian 95% of the time in their broadcasts. Only 1 channel is only Pashto.

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 09:56 AM

My father told me he was a full Tajik and that Laghman is populated by Ghalzi Pashtuns so he couldnt be a Pashtun. Had he relations to someone of you? Maybe we can ask his children about his ethnicity.

Rika Khana postet this link from BBC in another thread http://www.bbc.co.uk...ki_mulian.shtml
i was examine the site and saw they were writing about Tajiks and their music (Ahmad Zahir is also counted to them)
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Posted 28 July 2008 - 10:32 AM

[QUOTE=TajMahal;12420]
Rika Khana postet this link from BBC in another thread http://www.bbc.co.uk...ki_mulian.shtml
i was examine the site and saw they were writing about Tajiks and their music (Ahmad Zahir is also counted to them)[/QUOTE]

Dear Tajmahal

I believe it is because he was mostly singing in persian and his other songs were a few Urdo and Pushtoo. Even if he is not Tajik, he is part of Farsi culture and we all admire him and his beautiful and lasting artistic work forever.
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Posted 28 July 2008 - 10:42 AM

[QUOTE=Rika Khana;12423]Dear Tajmahal

I believe it is because he was mostly singing in persian and his other songs were a few Urdo and Pushtoo. Even if he is not Tajik, he is part of Farsi culture and we all admire him and his beautiful and lasting artistic work forever.[/QUOTE]

Can you prove it that he was a Pashtun? As far i can see his surename was Zahir. Pashtuns dont have such names and the two suffixes ''sai'' and ''khil'' are also not existing. As you have read there are many proofs that he was not a Pashtun.
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Posted 28 July 2008 - 10:43 AM

[QUOTE=TajMahal;12424]Can you prove it that he was a Pashtun? As far i can see his surename was Zahir. Pashtuns dont have such names and the two suffixes ''sai'' and ''khil'' are also not existing.[/QUOTE]

No, I cant prove it either way. But it is not necessary to have Zai and Khil in your surname to be Pushtoon.
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Posted 28 July 2008 - 10:46 AM

[QUOTE=Rika Khana;12425]No, I cant prove it either way. But it is not necessary to have Zai and Khil in your surname to be Pushtoon.[/QUOTE]

No it isnt but nearly every tribe have these suffixes. But fact is Ahmad Zahir wasnt a Lodhi Pashtun (a tribe without sai and khil) or Suri or Mangali.
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Posted 28 July 2008 - 10:51 AM

[QUOTE=TajMahal;12426]No it isnt but nearly every tribe have these suffixes. But fact is Ahmad Zahir wasnt a Lodhi Pashtun (a tribe without sai and khil) or Suri or Mangali.[/QUOTE]

Well, most of the tribes have Zai or Khil. Some of them don not have, like Mohmand, Shinwari, Lodin etc. But i was talking about Ahmad Zahir's surname, not his tribal affiliation.
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Posted 28 July 2008 - 10:53 AM

[QUOTE=TajMahal;12420]
Rika Khana postet this link from BBC in another thread http://www.bbc.co.uk...ki_mulian.shtml
i was examine the site and saw they were writing about Tajiks and their music (Ahmad Zahir is also counted to them)[/QUOTE]

Can I ask you something? You said that you cant read farsi, and this article is all in Farsi.
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Posted 28 July 2008 - 10:57 AM

[QUOTE=Rika Khana;12428]Can I ask you something? You said that you cant read farsi, and this article is all in Farsi.[/QUOTE]

I used the link to see what is written about because i couldnt read your Farsi script. So when i was on BBC i saw faces of Tajik musicians.
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Posted 29 July 2008 - 03:08 AM

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i was examine the site and saw they were writing about Tajiks and their music (Ahmad Zahir is also counted to them)


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I used the link to see what is written about because i couldnt read your Farsi script. So when i was on BBC i saw faces of Tajik musicians.


Wow.. the votes are in, either you lack common sense, or you're a pathological liar. It's people like you who spread non-nonsensical information to the gullible.
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Posted 29 July 2008 - 01:25 PM

[QUOTE=dokhtare pulegun;12479]Wow.. the voted are in, either you lack common sense, or you're a pathological liar. It's people like you who spread non-nonsensical information to the gullible.[/QUOTE]

? What is your problem? Sick? Hungry for an adventure? Where did i lie? Dont put me bottomless on. Pathetic girl
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Posted 29 July 2008 - 01:39 PM

Dear Tajmahal,

I think it is not a bad idea to learn how to write in Farsi.
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Posted 29 July 2008 - 02:28 PM

[QUOTE=Unity;12516]Dear Tajmahal,

I think it is not a bad idea to learn how to write in Farsi.[/QUOTE]

No time for learning it. I have to go to work and Im a student. Even if i lean to write and to read Farsi my Farsi knowledge wouldnt be enough to understand everything. Most time of my life I have spent here in the west.
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Posted 29 July 2008 - 02:38 PM

[QUOTE=TajMahal;12522]No time for learning it. I have to go to work and Im a student. Even if i lean to write and to read Farsi my Farsi knowledge wouldnt be enough to understand everything. Most time of my life I have spent here in the west.[/QUOTE]

Dear Tajmahal,

That excuse is not good enough. I work in 2 places, i have got family life and absolutely no one else to help me. I have to do every little thing inside and outside house, i still managed to learn cyrillic to some degree, cant you do the same thing with farsi which is your native language?
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Posted 29 July 2008 - 02:39 PM

By the way, when did you move to the west and which country? and if you dont mind, how old are you?
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Posted 29 July 2008 - 02:46 PM

[QUOTE=Unity;12523]Dear Tajmahal,

That excuse is not good enough. I work in 2 places, i have got family life and absolutely no one else to help me. I have to do every little thing inside and outside house, i still managed to learn cyrillic to some degree, cant you do the same thing with farsi which is your native language?[/QUOTE]

If i had the possibility i would even learn the language self to understand its written body but there is realy no time, except 5 or 4 hours where I enjoy my free time with privat study or with my friends and family or with resting. Perhaps, one day it will be able for me to become in touch with it.
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Posted 29 July 2008 - 06:19 PM

It seems that there is a Tajik sub-group called Arbabzai.

http://www.nps.edu/p...Trees/Tajik.pdf
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Posted 30 July 2008 - 10:48 PM

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? What is your problem? Sick? Hungry for an adventure? Where did i lie? Dont put me bottomless on. Pathetic girl


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Posted 31 July 2008 - 09:43 PM

Ahmad Zahir was a Pashtun and if you need any further information you can meet his family in Toronto, Canada. I am a relative of his as well and it makes me laugh how much idiots you can be with your ethno fascism.

If you are brave enough and man enough don't delete this thread, but abvously you people fear the truth. Wasafi is an idiot who is a Setami fascist.

If you want to the truth why not come to Toronto and meet his family? Shame on you idiots.

Ahmad Zahir's mom could hardly speak Dari since she was Pashtun and his dad was not only a close relative but close friend of my Grandfather who treated eachother like brothers.
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Posted 31 July 2008 - 10:09 PM

[QUOTE=Afghan;12637]Ahmad Zahir was a Pashtun and if you need any further information you can meet his family in Toronto, Canada. I am a relative of his as well and it makes me laugh how much idiots you can be with your ethno fascism.

If you are brave enough and man enough don't delete this thread, but abvously you people fear the truth. Wasafi is an idiot who is a Setami fascist.

If you want to the truth why not come to Toronto and meet his family? Shame on you idiots.

Ahmad Zahir's mom could hardly speak Dari since she was Pashtun and his dad was not only a close relative but close friend of my Grandfather who treated eachother like brothers.[/QUOTE]

:D :D:D Ahmad Zahir was making fun about Pashtuns...all his songs except only ''1'' was in Farsi. He never claimed himself as Pashtun, in fact he proved his ethnicity by his toughts, by representing the real culture of Afghanistan, by singing in Afghanistans main language, by singing Persian poems - all in Farsi. Those non-Pashtuns who had high positions in the govnment knew them and their secret. I mean there are 100 of proofs of his ethnicity and than people with no cultural good, no history, no literature try to claim Tajiks as theirs. Im sure Ahmad Zahir had 1000 songs in every language than in Pashto, even in turkic and chinese. Btw, so far i can remember we have here one or two user who are related with his family. Hope theyll come back very soon. Eh, you are not the only one who claims to know him. There are million other like you who want to tell us their stories and their famil?*es relationship to the Zahir family.

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