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Posted 18 July 2008 - 03:29 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk...m_persian.shtml
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Posted 18 July 2008 - 04:26 AM

As expected :D Can't mix freedom with religion ... unless Iran becomes free.

What is wrong with "Persians" ? Why are we so ****ed-up ? No answers expected ... just asking a question for soul searching.

Why are Persians the most backward people in their region and have been so in the last few centuries - except Iran (and only relatively speaking) which had the benefit of oil money and some contacts with Europe/US and so on ?

Why is Tajikistan called the poorest of the Central Asian republics ?

Why is Afghanistan one of the most pathetic and backward countries in the world - including Tajiks (let's not blame it all on Pashtuns) even worse than many African countries ? Just a question - I am not asking for answers.


Why is it that most Persians have no pride or awareness, and are easily conquered, assimilated, or subjugated by Turkics, Pashtuns, and other nations with much less history and culture ? I have some partial answers (but they sound more like excuses to most people - although there may be great truth in them: for example, influence of Sufism, defeat in the hands of Arabs, Mongols and Turks, and the Persian Empire making us universalists rather than tribalists ...etc)

I mentioned to my Azeri Iranian friend that Persians of Central Asia are very frustrated and insult Iranians and Azeris and brag about punishing them: she said these pitiful bastards have been ****ed by Pakis and now they are coming and bragging at us ? (One reason why I hastily posted something along those lines).

So, why is it we are so arrogant at times (some of us) yet always willing to be ****ed by others (Pashtuns, Pakis, Uzbeks) who are so inferior to us culturally.

Are we simply noble universalist people with no tribalism and therefore do not care about our background - yet allowing others who care about their background to rape us when necessary ?

All this Khorassani pride ... and nothing to show for it, except if you take pride in being raped and submitted to Pashtuns and Uzbeks and Arabs, and others.

So what is wrong ? Just a question ... don't answer please because I think the answer might be very depressing :(






[QUOTE=Darius;11562]http://www.bbc.co.uk...m_persian.shtml[/QUOTE]
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Posted 18 July 2008 - 01:13 PM

I think the story has heated you up a bit too much to make you reach the boiling stage we witnessed Nader jan;)

But the question is actual: why are we so backward?

The answer to the question might be too long and really frustratiing. But there is a very lengthy but extremely interesting thread going on in an Uzbekistani forum:

http://forum.arbuz.c...ead.php?t=46656

Just a part of the answer could be found there.


[QUOTE=Nader Shah;11565]As expected :D Can't mix freedom with religion ... unless Iran becomes free.

What is wrong with "Persians" ? Why are we so ****ed-up ? No answers expected ... just asking a question for soul searching.

Why are Persians the most backward people in their region and have been so in the last few centuries - except Iran (and only relatively speaking) which had the benefit of oil money and some contacts with Europe/US and so on ?

Why is Tajikistan called the poorest of the Central Asian republics ?

Why is Afghanistan one of the most pathetic and backward countries in the world - including Tajiks (let's not blame it all on Pashtuns) even worse than many African countries ? Just a question - I am not asking for answers.


Why is it that most Persians have no pride or awareness, and are easily conquered, assimilated, or subjugated by Turkics, Pashtuns, and other nations with much less history and culture ? I have some partial answers (but they sound more like excuses to most people - although there may be great truth in them: for example, influence of Sufism, defeat in the hands of Arabs, Mongols and Turks, and the Persian Empire making us universalists rather than tribalists ...etc)

I mentioned to my Azeri Iranian friend that Persians of Central Asia are very frustrated and insult Iranians and Azeris and brag about punishing them: she said these pitiful bastards have been ****ed by Pakis and now they are coming and bragging at us ? (One reason why I hastily posted something along those lines).

So, why is it we are so arrogant at times (some of us) yet always willing to be ****ed by others (Pashtuns, Pakis, Uzbeks) who are so inferior to us culturally.

Are we simply noble universalist people with no tribalism and therefore do not care about our background - yet allowing others who care about their background to rape us when necessary ?

All this Khorassani pride ... and nothing to show for it, except if you take pride in being raped and submitted to Pashtuns and Uzbeks and Arabs, and others.

So what is wrong ? Just a question ... don't answer please because I think the answer might be very depressing :( [/QUOTE]
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Posted 18 July 2008 - 03:31 PM

Short answer: lack of education
Long answer: too long to type out >_>
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Posted 19 July 2008 - 07:50 AM

Welcome to the forum :) Are you from Tajikistan or Afghanistan ?

As for the short answer, it begs another question: why are we so uneducated (lack of education is a symptom - not the root cause) and what do you mean by education ? After all, we have a great Persian culture behind us, unlike some other "cultures" ... And in any case Tajikistan is almost 100% literate (although I am not sure if that is what you meant by education) and Iran is around 85%.

Of course, things will not always remain the same, and there are some hopeful trends as well as the depressing stuff. But I was trying to say that even though we claim superiority with respect to other people around us, the facts do not show us to be that much better - in the case of Afghanistan, it seems to be worse than almost all Arab countries (except Sudan maybe, and I am not even sure of that).





[QUOTE=dokhtare pulegun;11603]Short answer: lack of education
Long answer: too long to type out >_>[/QUOTE]
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Posted 19 July 2008 - 07:58 AM

Thanks for the sympathy for my boiling over :D and for the thread: I am taking a look but it seems to be about Jews & Christians versus Muslims. Aren't Persians supposed to be the cream of the cream among Muslim countries (at least in terms of past contributions) ?
[QUOTE=Kambiz;11599]I think the story has heated you up a bit too much to make you reach the boiling stage we witnessed Nader jan;)

But the question is actual: why are we so backward?

The answer to the question might be too long and really frustratiing. But there is a very lengthy but extremely interesting thread going on in an Uzbekistani forum:

http://forum.arbuz.c...ead.php?t=46656

Just a part of the answer could be found there.[/QUOTE]
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Posted 19 July 2008 - 12:36 PM

Thank you =) I am from the land that is now called Afghanistan..

..A land in which you can walk from one town to the next, passing 20 mosques and only 1 school.
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Posted 19 July 2008 - 12:57 PM

[QUOTE=Nader Shah;11641]Thanks for the sympathy for my boiling over :D and for the thread: I am taking a look but it seems to be about Jews & Christians versus Muslims. Aren't Persians supposed to be the cream of the cream among Muslim countries (at least in terms of past contributions) ?[/QUOTE]


Dokhtare Pulegun's answer would suffice: the overzealous emphasis on religion and next to zero attention to knowledge.
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Posted 20 August 2008 - 04:07 PM

[QUOTE=Nader Shah;11565]As expected :D Can't mix freedom with religion ... unless Iran becomes free.

What is wrong with "Persians" ? Why are we so ****ed-up ? No answers expected ... just asking a question for soul searching.

Why are Persians the most backward people in their region and have been so in the last few centuries - except Iran (and only relatively speaking) which had the benefit of oil money and some contacts with Europe/US and so on ?

Why is Tajikistan called the poorest of the Central Asian republics ?

Why is Afghanistan one of the most pathetic and backward countries in the world - including Tajiks (let's not blame it all on Pashtuns) even worse than many African countries ? Just a question - I am not asking for answers.


Why is it that most Persians have no pride or awareness, and are easily conquered, assimilated, or subjugated by Turkics, Pashtuns, and other nations with much less history and culture ? I have some partial answers (but they sound more like excuses to most people - although there may be great truth in them: for example, influence of Sufism, defeat in the hands of Arabs, Mongols and Turks, and the Persian Empire making us universalists rather than tribalists ...etc)

I mentioned to my Azeri Iranian friend that Persians of Central Asia are very frustrated and insult Iranians and Azeris and brag about punishing them: she said these pitiful bastards have been ****ed by Pakis and now they are coming and bragging at us ? (One reason why I hastily posted something along those lines).

So, why is it we are so arrogant at times (some of us) yet always willing to be ****ed by others (Pashtuns, Pakis, Uzbeks) who are so inferior to us culturally.

Are we simply noble universalist people with no tribalism and therefore do not care about our background - yet allowing others who care about their background to rape us when necessary ?

All this Khorassani pride ... and nothing to show for it, except if you take pride in being raped and submitted to Pashtuns and Uzbeks and Arabs, and others.

So what is wrong ? Just a question ... don't answer please because I think the answer might be very depressing :( [/QUOTE]


Only the Almighty knows that and we know that too brother :)
Just forget those details what you mentioned, the fact that we have a site like Tajikam makes strangers feel burned! Some people call themselves Tajik without knowing the definition of the honorable Tajik. :rolleyes:
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Posted 20 August 2008 - 04:13 PM

[QUOTE=Ariaie-kabulzadah;13744]Only the Almighty knows that and we know that too brother :)
Just forget those details what you mentioned, the fact that we have a site like Tajikam makes strangers feel burned! Some people call themselves Tajik without knowing the definition of the honorable Tajik. :rolleyes: [/QUOTE]

And second, you shouldn't forget that many Tajiks were killed by British intervention army during the first, second and third anglo-war, we have fought against those Ruski's during the cold war. MAAAANY Tajiks were killed during the genocide compaign of Hafizullah Amin. So my dear brother: many many TRUE, REAL honorable Tajiks have left this world, mow it is to people like you to spread the beauty of our history and culture, I hope you are agree with me! :D :cool:
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Posted 20 August 2008 - 04:13 PM

anglo-Afghan war***
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