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Posted 21 May 2008 - 01:17 PM

In another theme our brother - PORS has told, that we Tajiks should modernize our traditions, our culture. The interesting opinion, but appears a question: how to modernize our traditions? To refuse some our traditions and to accept traditions of europeans? How it is possible to modernize our culture? Also what is the Tajik culture is?
What do you think about it?
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Posted 22 May 2008 - 02:23 AM

[QUOTE=Afrasiab;9294]In another theme our brother - PORS has told, that we Tajiks should modernize our traditions, our culture. The interesting opinion, but appears a question: how to modernize our traditions? To refuse some our traditions and to accept traditions of europeans? How it is possible to modernize our culture? Also what is the Tajik culture is?
What do you think about it?[/QUOTE]

Hello, Brother! You have opened an important thread. Really as our dear friend Porsjon mentioned our culture should be modernized ( in a good sence, of course)

What is culture? I refered to vocabulary and found:

culture- the sum total of the ways of life of a people; includes norms, learned behavior patterns, attitudes, and artifacts; also involves traditions, habits or customs; how people behave, feel and interact; the means by which they order and interpret the world; ways of perceiving, relating and interpreting events based on established social norms; a system of standards for perceiving, believing, evaluating, and acting.

This definition can be employed in description of every singular culture, including tajik one, as a major abstract rule. In order to understand tajik culture we should reveal its singular elements within its common charasterics with the other cultures.
I think that the cornerstone of tajik culture as a nation having been formed in 7-8 centr. on the ground of persian-eastern iranian elements in Central Asia is a persianised islam weather it is hanafi, jaafari, or ismaili.The religion and mythology are the basis of every culture and they shape and develop it. If we trace the development of tajik-persian culture and civilization we see that the spiriual push to further creation was given by religion in its different interpretations. Even the greek philosophy was interpreted under the light of tajik-muslim heritage.
What do we mean by saying "persianized" islam? It is totally diferrent from arabic-bedouin islam or from indonesian islam which are centered only at Koran and hadith and lack an active creative intelectual and spiritual potential for further increasingly development. Persianized islam is an transformed and developed islam by means of the rich preislamic iranian cultural heritage.
Such movements like Mutaazila, Shiizm, Sufizm, schools of islamic philosophy and etc. emerged on the ground of iranian system of thoght and believes.
We can say that the tajik culture is a mixture of iranian preislamic and islamic elements which shape every side of tajik identity begining from mystical trances :)or the way of philosophical thinking and ending with a form of dresses .
If we exclude islam it means that we must say farewell to our 1400 years cultural heritage.

To modernize tajik culture one should throw away elements that are old, senial and pick out progressive ones and develop them.

I think in Tajikistan we need these:

1) Separation of religion from state and policy, the abolition of Islamic party.
2) To recognise hanafi islam as spiritual and moral cornerstone of our culture.
3) To reduce arabic elements in everything (language, names, dresses etc.), except for praying and increase preislamic iranian heritage, espessialy Zoroastrian one, to the extend that doesnt contradict the essence of islam:?First -Quran, second- Shahnameh.
4) To shake off primitive prejudices and to develop the philosophical type of thinking, irfan (persian mysticism), persian past and present literature.
5) Dresses:Neither being covered like bedouins nor being naked like western people.
6) Arts should reflect high values and aim at giving the people morality and arousing good feelings. (Not to show the breast, of course:))...
7) To accept progressive elements of european civilization which will not harm morality (science, technologies, etc.)

If you have more ideas, please add.
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Posted 22 May 2008 - 11:22 AM

Faridun jani aziz, bisyor nazari purmuhtavo va peshnihodoti jolibro navishted.
Az barodaron uzr ki ba'ze andeshahoyamro ba forsi va khati lotini menavisam.

Banda chunin fikr mekunam, ki chunin bakhshhoi farhang (culture) chun rasmu an'anahoi milli va mazhabi, in mas'alai khele nozuk ast va har iqdomi digarsozi va modernsozi, ki dar in samt girifta meshavad, boyad khele bo ehtiyot anjom shavad. Va tahiyai tarhho va peshnihodho baroi modernsozii rasmu rusumi millivu mazhabi boyad az sui ravshanfikronu donishmandoni millat va mutakhassisonu ruhoniyoni varzidai mazhabi anjom shavad. (Vale in manoi onro nadorad ki tanho yak-du ziyoi va ruhoni haqi barrasi va digarsozii rasmu rusumro boyad doshta boshad. Mavzui modernsozii farhangi tojikiro boyad hama bahsu barrasi kunand, vale tarhe yo peshnihode, ki qabul meshavad, boyad az sui peshvoyoni varzidai ziyoi va ruhonii millat tarhrezi shavad).

Na misli Qonuni tanzim-i rayosati jumhurii Tojikiston, ki az suyi ideologhoi hukumati be yagon tahqiqu barrasii ziyoiyon va ruhoniyoni varzidai millat ba sari mardum bor shud va natijahoi on manfi ham hast va khohad bud ( yake az in natijaho on ast ki imruz dukhtari tojik beqadr shudaast va shumori taloqho chand barobar beshtar gashtaast, zero bo 500 dollar metavon khonador shud). Hukumati Tojikiston ba joi on ki khurofotro az bayn bubarad, bo qonuni navash rasmu rusumi millivu mazhabiro, ki jomeai tojikiro pobarjo medorad, tahti khatar mondaast.

Urfu odat va rasmu an'anoti millivu mazhabi (traditions) dar kull zerbinoi jomeai har qavmu millatand va naandeshida kam kardan yo zam kardani bakhshe az in zerbino metavonad yak omili rukudi in zerbino shavad. Har yak urfu odat va rasmu rusum zamone dar bayni mardum paydo shudaast va falsafai khudro dorad, ki onro na har vaqt metavon ba zudi dark kard.

Vale gap sari on ast, ki vaqte mo modernsozii ananotu rasmu rusumi milli meguyem, namuna baroi mo kadom farhang boyad boshad? Yo umuman namunae ba mo dar in kor lozim ast? Va imruz kadom juzhoi farhangi millii mo khurofot ast va boyad digarsozi shavad?
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Posted 23 May 2008 - 01:10 AM

8) To develop the capacity for and practice independent thought and judgment in a rational manner (except in areas where irfan/philosophy and intuition provide an edge)
9) To stop putting relatives or hamshahri in positions of power (in government or business) and instead promote competent, experienced, and well-educated people who can get things done
10) To properly plan and allocate resources for the development of the country for 20 years ahead, and to be passionate about instead of being indifferent and enjoy the fat salaryies, and stop playing with their balls at their desk and react with short term patch solutions

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1) Separation of religion from state and policy, the abolition of Islamic party.
2) To recognise hanafi islam as spiritual and moral cornerstone of our culture.
3) To reduce arabic elements in everything (language, names, dresses etc.), except for praying and increase preislamic iranian heritage, espessialy Zoroastrian one, to the extend that doesnt contradict the essence of islam:?First -Quran, second- Shahnameh.
4) To shake off primitive prejudices and to develop the philosophical type of thinking, irfan (persian mysticism), persian past and present literature.
5) Dresses:Neither being covered like bedouins nor being naked like western people.
6) Arts should reflect high values and aim at giving the people morality and arousing good feelings. (Not to show the breast, of course:))...
7) To accept progressive elements of european civilization which will not harm morality (science, technologies, etc.)

If you have more ideas, please add.[/QUOTE]
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Posted 23 May 2008 - 03:03 PM

[QUOTE=Nader Shah;9397] 8) To develop the capacity for and practice independent thought and judgment in a rational manner (except in areas where irfan/philosophy and intuition provide an edge)
9) To stop putting relatives or hamshahri in positions of power (in government or business) and instead promote competent, experienced, and well-educated people who can get things done
10) To properly plan and allocate resources for the development of the country for 20 years ahead, and to be passionate about instead of being indifferent and enjoy the fat salaryies, and stop playing with their balls at their desk and react with short term patch solutions[/QUOTE]

Thank You, dear Nadershah! Very good suggestions! If you have any more hidden in your pocket, please, dont be shy:), put them here.
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Posted 23 May 2008 - 03:08 PM

[QUOTE=Afrasiab;9350]Faridun jani aziz, bisyor nazari purmuhtavo va peshnihodoti jolibro navishted.
Az barodaron uzr ki ba'ze andeshahoyamro ba forsi va khati lotini menavisam.

Banda chunin fikr mekunam, ki chunin bakhshhoi farhang (culture) chun rasmu an'anahoi milli va mazhabi, in mas'alai khele nozuk ast va har iqdomi digarsozi va modernsozi, ki dar in samt girifta meshavad, boyad khele bo ehtiyot anjom shavad. Va tahiyai tarhho va peshnihodho baroi modernsozii rasmu rusumi millivu mazhabi boyad az sui ravshanfikronu donishmandoni millat va mutakhassisonu ruhoniyoni varzidai mazhabi anjom shavad. (Vale in manoi onro nadorad ki tanho yak-du ziyoi va ruhoni haqi barrasi va digarsozii rasmu rusumro boyad doshta boshad. Mavzui modernsozii farhangi tojikiro boyad hama bahsu barrasi kunand, vale tarhe yo peshnihode, ki qabul meshavad, boyad az sui peshvoyoni varzidai ziyoi va ruhonii millat tarhrezi shavad).

Na misli Qonuni tanzim-i rayosati jumhurii Tojikiston, ki az suyi ideologhoi hukumati be yagon tahqiqu barrasii ziyoiyon va ruhoniyoni varzidai millat ba sari mardum bor shud va natijahoi on manfi ham hast va khohad bud ( yake az in natijaho on ast ki imruz dukhtari tojik beqadr shudaast va shumori taloqho chand barobar beshtar gashtaast, zero bo 500 dollar metavon khonador shud). Hukumati Tojikiston ba joi on ki khurofotro az bayn bubarad, bo qonuni navash rasmu rusumi millivu mazhabiro, ki jomeai tojikiro pobarjo medorad, tahti khatar mondaast.

Urfu odat va rasmu an'anoti millivu mazhabi (traditions) dar kull zerbinoi jomeai har qavmu millatand va naandeshida kam kardan yo zam kardani bakhshe az in zerbino metavonad yak omili rukudi in zerbino shavad. Har yak urfu odat va rasmu rusum zamone dar bayni mardum paydo shudaast va falsafai khudro dorad, ki onro na har vaqt metavon ba zudi dark kard.

Vale gap sari on ast, ki vaqte mo modernsozii ananotu rasmu rusumi milli meguyem, namuna baroi mo kadom farhang boyad boshad? Yo umuman namunae ba mo dar in kor lozim ast? Va imruz kadom juzhoi farhangi millii mo khurofot ast va boyad digarsozi shavad?[/QUOTE]

Thank Your, dear Friend! Certainly, This code of law has a lot of shortcomings and it must be reconsidered. You are right. I have nothing more to add.
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Posted 23 May 2008 - 07:00 PM

Salam Dosta,
i have written yesterday a very long text here but as i can see it is gone, now...damn..however i want to ask you what do you really mean with ''modernization'' of our culture.
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Posted 23 May 2008 - 07:13 PM

[QUOTE=Afrasiab;9294]In another theme our brother - PORS has told, that we Tajiks should modernize our traditions, our culture. The interesting opinion, but appears a question: how to modernize our traditions? To refuse some our traditions and to accept traditions of europeans? How it is possible to modernize our culture? Also what is the Tajik culture is?
What do you think about it?[/QUOTE]

The word modernization has many negative connotations - and most of the time is interpreted as adopting the negative and vain aspects of western culture - and thus will generate mixed responses.

I feel that if there were to be a poll carried out amongst Tajiks - of Tajikistan and Afghanistan - there would be a clear desire expressed for knowing the ways to develop their ideals.

I think a better word(s) could be reformation/enlightenment/rediscovery of the past Parsian (Tajik) culture that gave rise to Zarathustra (Zardosht) - Cyrus - Mazdak - Mani - Rumi - Hafez - Saadi and the many other greats. Remember it was knowledge of these past Iranians that seeped into Europe and was the cause of much of its reformation and enlightenment. Obviously there has been development of those ideas since.

In Tajikistan - especially amongst the musicians - I see a very negative trend of enslavement to the western notions of beauty and materialism. In Afghanistan it is heading that way also.

I think the most important thing all Parsians(Tajiks) should do is to discover and educate themselves of their own Parsian (Tajik) civilizations - in order to understand its value and thus to protect-develop it so that it has relevance to the problems of todays Parsians( Tajiks) and to pass it on to the next generation.

We need to investigate all of Khorasani Parsian culture throughout history and to collate the very best of of it and to teach to all Parsians (Tajiks) - securing their sense of identity and their UNITY - in this globalizing world where identities are fast disappearing in favour of shallow vain & materialistic slave of NAFS western ideal.

Knowledge of a common history, common culture and common set of ideals - will bring about the unity required for a common government and a common state - the STATE of KHURASAN. It is the deprivation of this knowledge that has kept us disunited and far from realizing the value of of what we are ignorant of.
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Posted 23 May 2008 - 07:14 PM

[QUOTE=Parsistani;9440]Salam Dosta,
i have written yesterday a very long text here but as i can see it is gone, now...damn..however i want to ask you what do you really mean with ''modernization'' of our culture.[/QUOTE]

Really Parsi - that is strange - investigate it fully - there may be something wrong with the forum or an admin has done it...
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Posted 24 May 2008 - 12:22 AM

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